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Why do men who code have to be "bros", and why does it have to be a bad thing that guys like to work in IT? Are we derogatively saying that the "hos" are incre

Why do men who code have to be "bros", and why does it have to be a bad thing that guys like to work in IT? Are we derogatively saying that the "hos" are increasingly taking the doctor-positions? Of course not, because that would be ridiculous. So why then is it OK to rag down on guys? And over some imagined injustice! I really don't get the problem people are trying to construct here.

BallCramp 6y ago
Must be an old article. "bro" was popular a few years ago as a disparaging term for men, but it didn't stick. Funny to see it again in the wild.
- pc86 6y ago
  > Must be an old article There's a pretty big date right at the top of the page.
- Quarrelsome 6y ago
  We still use it in tech to loosely describe programmers that don't genuinely have a love or deep understanding of the craft.
  - WalterSear 6y ago
    I've seen it mostly used to describe male programmers that people don't like.
    - Quarrelsome 6y ago
      I'm going to assume you're missing the 90's context where programmers began to be social as well as technical. This led to the accidental inclusion of people that were merely social without technical skills, thus: bros.
Quarrelsome 6y ago
They're just being flippant in choice of language. You don't need to be so defensive by identifying so closely with your gender here. This article is specifically how these women got swindled out of the prestige they should have got and how gender stereotypes pushed women out of the workforce after the war. All the men we're mad at here are effectively retired or dead so there's no need to identify with them because its unlikely you'd actually relate directly to their world view because they're mostly pre-boomers.
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  > You don't need to be so defensive by identifying so closely with your gender here. This comment is a bit hostile. They are simply applying the same standard to both sexes.
  - Quarrelsome 6y ago
    > This comment is a bit hostile As is getting riled by the choice of language in the way that commenter did. There's no need for that shit. > They are simply applying the same standard to both sexes. No they're not, they're just taking sides because they share characteristics with what they perceive to be the slighted party here. Its likely they're projecting anger they have about gender issues elsewhere to the discussion of this article. They're being off-topic by doing so. I'd wager that they didn't even read the article.
    - hombre_fatal 6y ago
      > they're just taking sides because they share characteristics with what they perceive to be the slighted party here Once again, this is a popular accusation but one of the most uncharitable accusations on tap today in discourse. I totally agree with their point about the double standard about bros and hos. Their gender is irrelevant. Edit: for the record, I think we should be able to use flippant and juvenile language in our blog titles (at risk of seeming juvenile), but I’ve been in tech long enough to catch the increasing wind of the “men can handle words like techbro but women can’t” implication. Using cute gendered language for women isn’t quite as savory today.
jagged-chisel 6y ago
> ... imagined injustice And that's why you've been downvoted. While you started with what appears to be a legitimate question, you devolved into not only appearing to have avoided reading the article, but also not having empathy for the subject of the article. The injustice is the complete lack of acknowledgement, for decades, of those who 'coded the software' of the machine. The seemingly willful ignorance of the bosses who ran the project and the media who covered it. Take exception to the terminology in the heading if you like. Make a good argument that it's not productive. But at least have the ability to acknowledge the content of the article.
sebastianconcpt 6y ago
Pathologization of masculinity is an exclusive phenomenon that revolutionaries carry in the Western World. All the answers to that can be found in the movements that came out of the Frankfurt School.
Traubenfuchs 6y ago
A pervasive narrative of "successful men bad" and "successful women good" is being pushed in the western world. This caused shockingly sexist (and racist) policies called affirmative action.

BallCramp 6y ago

Must be an old article. "bro" was popular a few years ago as a disparaging term for men, but it didn't stick. Funny to see it again in the wild.

pc86 6y ago
> Must be an old article There's a pretty big date right at the top of the page.
Quarrelsome 6y ago
We still use it in tech to loosely describe programmers that don't genuinely have a love or deep understanding of the craft.
- WalterSear 6y ago
  I've seen it mostly used to describe male programmers that people don't like.
  - Quarrelsome 6y ago
    I'm going to assume you're missing the 90's context where programmers began to be social as well as technical. This led to the accidental inclusion of people that were merely social without technical skills, thus: bros.

Quarrelsome 6y ago

They're just being flippant in choice of language. You don't need to be so defensive by identifying so closely with your gender here. This article is specifically how these women got swindled out of the prestige they should have got and how gender stereotypes pushed women out of the workforce after the war. All the men we're mad at here are effectively retired or dead so there's no need to identify with them because its unlikely you'd actually relate directly to their world view because they're mostly pre-boomers.

hombre_fatal 6y ago
> You don't need to be so defensive by identifying so closely with your gender here. This comment is a bit hostile. They are simply applying the same standard to both sexes.
- Quarrelsome 6y ago
  > This comment is a bit hostile As is getting riled by the choice of language in the way that commenter did. There's no need for that shit. > They are simply applying the same standard to both sexes. No they're not, they're just taking sides because they share characteristics with what they perceive to be the slighted party here. Its likely they're projecting anger they have about gender issues elsewhere to the discussion of this article. They're being off-topic by doing so. I'd wager that they didn't even read the article.
  - hombre_fatal 6y ago
    > they're just taking sides because they share characteristics with what they perceive to be the slighted party here Once again, this is a popular accusation but one of the most uncharitable accusations on tap today in discourse. I totally agree with their point about the double standard about bros and hos. Their gender is irrelevant. Edit: for the record, I think we should be able to use flippant and juvenile language in our blog titles (at risk of seeming juvenile), but I’ve been in tech long enough to catch the increasing wind of the “men can handle words like techbro but women can’t” implication. Using cute gendered language for women isn’t quite as savory today.

jagged-chisel 6y ago

> ... imagined injustice And that's why you've been downvoted. While you started with what appears to be a legitimate question, you devolved into not only appearing to have avoided reading the article, but also not having empathy for the subject of the article. The injustice is the complete lack of acknowledgement, for decades, of those who 'coded the software' of the machine. The seemingly willful ignorance of the bosses who ran the project and the media who covered it. Take exception to the terminology in the heading if you like. Make a good argument that it's not productive. But at least have the ability to acknowledge the content of the article.

sebastianconcpt 6y ago

Pathologization of masculinity is an exclusive phenomenon that revolutionaries carry in the Western World. All the answers to that can be found in the movements that came out of the Frankfurt School.

Traubenfuchs 6y ago

A pervasive narrative of "successful men bad" and "successful women good" is being pushed in the western world. This caused shockingly sexist (and racist) policies called affirmative action.