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> incredible creativity at work there at this dutch company I understand where you are coming from, and it might indeed appear that way. But the primary reason

> incredible creativity at work there at this dutch company I understand where you are coming from, and it might indeed appear that way. But the primary reason they are successful and have been able to make this step is because of the rich inheritance available to the researchers. Most jobs under Capitalism today are soul crushing and exploitative. In my journey of going upstream to try to seek to understand the root of this dysfunction, I came to see that it is due to 1) the Intellectual Property system that creates contrived/artificial scarcity due to outdated economics, and 2) the credit monopoly [the way we are forced to mediate our interactions through capitalist debt protocols/agreements ($, €, etc)]. Our current system is truly the elephant in the room. [1] I really don't think an Intellectual Property Monopoly is the only way creativity can happen. I think if we switched to FLOSS-everything we'd still have all the same tech. In fact I think we'd have more innovation than ever before. More chances for more people to work on things means more experimentation and results, could mean safer and more sustainable developments - and thus more sustainable technologies. Silicon Valley isn't special. I am on here with you other technology enthusiasts and experts because the discussions on innovation do happen here currently. But it's not because it's unique. It's because Silicon Valley and American investors exert power over everyone else in the world through through it's IP system and agreements like TRIPS, together with the US-based money system and US-influenced 'development' organizations like the IMF and the World Bank. [2] Imagine what the world would look like without IP? [1] https://prezi.com/xmzld_-wayho/new-economy-new-wealth/ https://prezi.com/xmzld_-wayho/new-economy-new-wealth/ [2] https://www.jasonhickel.org/blog/2019/10/16/apartheid-in-the-global-governance-system https://www.jasonhickel.org/blog/2019/10/16/apartheid-in-the...

auggierose 6y ago
> because of the rich inheritance available to the researchers And where did that come from? From some open-source foundation?
- bergstromm466 6y ago
  > And where did that come from? From some open-source foundation? From our dead ancestors. “A patent is a device that enables one man to claim special financial rewards for being the last link in the complicated social process that produced the invention.” — Lewis Mumford "Every machine has had the same history — a long record of sleepless nights and of poverty, of disillusions and of joys, of partial improvements discovered by several generations of nameless workers, who have added to the original invention these little nothings, without which the most fertile idea would remain fruitless. More than that: every new invention is a synthesis, the resultant of innumerable inventions which have preceded it in the vast field of mechanics and industry. Science and industry, knowledge and application, discovery and practical realization leading to new discoveries, cunning of brain and of hand, toil of mind and muscle-all work together. Each discovery, each advance, each increase in the sum of human riches, owes its being to the physical and mental travail of the past and the present. By what right then can any one whatever appropriate the least morsel of this immense whole and say — This is mine, not yours?" — Peter Kropotkin We are all standing on the shoulders of giants.
  - auggierose 6y ago
    We are. If you want new giants, paying them properly is a good idea. That proper pay cannot come from the public. Look at the university system, it sucks. It's a difficult problem.

auggierose 6y ago

> because of the rich inheritance available to the researchers And where did that come from? From some open-source foundation?

bergstromm466 6y ago
> And where did that come from? From some open-source foundation? From our dead ancestors. “A patent is a device that enables one man to claim special financial rewards for being the last link in the complicated social process that produced the invention.” — Lewis Mumford "Every machine has had the same history — a long record of sleepless nights and of poverty, of disillusions and of joys, of partial improvements discovered by several generations of nameless workers, who have added to the original invention these little nothings, without which the most fertile idea would remain fruitless. More than that: every new invention is a synthesis, the resultant of innumerable inventions which have preceded it in the vast field of mechanics and industry. Science and industry, knowledge and application, discovery and practical realization leading to new discoveries, cunning of brain and of hand, toil of mind and muscle-all work together. Each discovery, each advance, each increase in the sum of human riches, owes its being to the physical and mental travail of the past and the present. By what right then can any one whatever appropriate the least morsel of this immense whole and say — This is mine, not yours?" — Peter Kropotkin We are all standing on the shoulders of giants.
- auggierose 6y ago
  We are. If you want new giants, paying them properly is a good idea. That proper pay cannot come from the public. Look at the university system, it sucks. It's a difficult problem.