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While this looks cool it is far from useful. I took time to build such cluster with the Pies and shortly after it landed in the box of things I may need in the

While this looks cool it is far from useful. I took time to build such cluster with the Pies and shortly after it landed in the box of things I may need in the future. It's just too slow to do anything useful. Watching stuff compile or even boot was like watching paint dry. It is much better to get a bunch of used NUC if you are space conscious or just get VMWare Workstation or similar tool to simulate number of machines on your desktop.

psychoslave 6y ago
Come on, it’s just plain beautiful. Sure it might not be very useful as a modern desktop, but just looking at the result, it looks like a peace of art to me. The person probably enjoyed doing it, most likely didn’t harm anyone in the process, and possibly learnt some things on the road. Not everything need to be useful beyond the joy of doing it.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
I second this - the PI's are great for hacking and hardware, but obsession with PI for compute does not make sence. Any used PC/NUC/Intel Atom board is much, much faster and some cost around the same.
- OskarS 6y ago
  I think the utility is more with experimenting with distributed computing technologies in a relatively affordable way, with hardware that is familiar and simple to set up.
  - magicalhippo 6y ago
    I made a small SAN, just for learning. Four pi4's serving two USB-SATA disks each via iSCSI to my NAS, which mounts them as a ZFS pool. The pi4's are connected to a switch with a 10G link to the NAS. Again, mainly just for fun and experience.
- bullen 6y ago
  They are much faster because they draw more energy. The Raspberry 4 at 1 Gflops/watt is a better option if you want to power the thing with lead acid batteries as backup power for more than 24 hours. Also Raspberry 4 can be cooled passively with a smaller heatsink so the total size and weight is less.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    PI's are not really power efficient - their CPU is made on super-obsolete 40nm node. They have no sleep mode, or any low-power mode for that matter. Imagine how long a phone would last on that battery - its the same class of CPU. An Intel compute stick or beelink mini pcs are also passively cooled and weigh no more.
    - bullen 6y ago
      Nope 28nm for the Raspberry 4. And 5nm is not going to save you that much energy compared to 28nm, it will however make the circuit much more fragile. The Raspberry 4 is peak power efficient: http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/group/green_machines.html http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/group/green_machines.html Mobile phones don't have a keyboard, you can only consume with them. I produce things. Those sticks don't have a company with it's own GPU and linux (Raspbian now RaspberryOS) behind them and they cost more per watt for performance I don't need. However I have 2x NUC with Streacoms passive case: https://streacom.com/products/nc2-fanless-chassis/ https://streacom.com/products/nc2-fanless-chassis/
      - kingosticks 6y ago
        28nm vs 5nm, is what, 3 generations with a 20-30% power saving at each step. ~50% power reduction is something.
        bullen 6y ago
        Nope, if you compare theoretical Gflops/watt it's probably 30%, but in practice you'll only get maybe 15%. Memory speed is the bottleneck and you cannot get around that. DDR3 had lower latency than DDR6 and only bandwidth is increasing, and you have to ask bandwidth for what?
monadic2 6y ago
Hacker news: a catalogue only of useful things
yyyuutt 6y ago
You can get a bunch of refurbished micro PCs coming out of corporates on ebay for a cheap price. Pis are nice but with cases and power supplies they aren't so cheap and storage is a hassle.
rwmj 6y ago
While no speed daemon, the RPi 4 B with 8 GB of RAM has good enough performance to use for aarch64 development. I can compile qemu in a reasonable time and run small VMs with it. You have to do a bit of work to upgrade the firmware and boot from UAS SSDs (https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/09/24/raspberry-pi-4-running-fedora-32/ https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/09/24/raspberry-pi-4-running...)

psychoslave 6y ago

Come on, it’s just plain beautiful. Sure it might not be very useful as a modern desktop, but just looking at the result, it looks like a peace of art to me. The person probably enjoyed doing it, most likely didn’t harm anyone in the process, and possibly learnt some things on the road. Not everything need to be useful beyond the joy of doing it.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

I second this - the PI's are great for hacking and hardware, but obsession with PI for compute does not make sence. Any used PC/NUC/Intel Atom board is much, much faster and some cost around the same.

OskarS 6y ago
I think the utility is more with experimenting with distributed computing technologies in a relatively affordable way, with hardware that is familiar and simple to set up.
- magicalhippo 6y ago
  I made a small SAN, just for learning. Four pi4's serving two USB-SATA disks each via iSCSI to my NAS, which mounts them as a ZFS pool. The pi4's are connected to a switch with a 10G link to the NAS. Again, mainly just for fun and experience.
bullen 6y ago
They are much faster because they draw more energy. The Raspberry 4 at 1 Gflops/watt is a better option if you want to power the thing with lead acid batteries as backup power for more than 24 hours. Also Raspberry 4 can be cooled passively with a smaller heatsink so the total size and weight is less.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  PI's are not really power efficient - their CPU is made on super-obsolete 40nm node. They have no sleep mode, or any low-power mode for that matter. Imagine how long a phone would last on that battery - its the same class of CPU. An Intel compute stick or beelink mini pcs are also passively cooled and weigh no more.
  - bullen 6y ago
    Nope 28nm for the Raspberry 4. And 5nm is not going to save you that much energy compared to 28nm, it will however make the circuit much more fragile. The Raspberry 4 is peak power efficient: http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/group/green_machines.html http://web.eece.maine.edu/~vweaver/group/green_machines.html Mobile phones don't have a keyboard, you can only consume with them. I produce things. Those sticks don't have a company with it's own GPU and linux (Raspbian now RaspberryOS) behind them and they cost more per watt for performance I don't need. However I have 2x NUC with Streacoms passive case: https://streacom.com/products/nc2-fanless-chassis/ https://streacom.com/products/nc2-fanless-chassis/
    - kingosticks 6y ago
      28nm vs 5nm, is what, 3 generations with a 20-30% power saving at each step. ~50% power reduction is something.
      - bullen 6y ago
        Nope, if you compare theoretical Gflops/watt it's probably 30%, but in practice you'll only get maybe 15%. Memory speed is the bottleneck and you cannot get around that. DDR3 had lower latency than DDR6 and only bandwidth is increasing, and you have to ask bandwidth for what?

monadic2 6y ago

Hacker news: a catalogue only of useful things

yyyuutt 6y ago

You can get a bunch of refurbished micro PCs coming out of corporates on ebay for a cheap price. Pis are nice but with cases and power supplies they aren't so cheap and storage is a hassle.

rwmj 6y ago

While no speed daemon, the RPi 4 B with 8 GB of RAM has good enough performance to use for aarch64 development. I can compile qemu in a reasonable time and run small VMs with it. You have to do a bit of work to upgrade the firmware and boot from UAS SSDs (https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/09/24/raspberry-pi-4-running-fedora-32/ https://rwmj.wordpress.com/2020/09/24/raspberry-pi-4-running...)