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> Without such measures, deaths would have been 10-20 times higher. Is that based on anything? I’m skeptical - many places that took more severe measures did w

by wk_end 6y ago

> Without such measures, deaths would have been 10-20 times higher. Is that based on anything? I’m skeptical - many places that took more severe measures did worse than places that took less severe measures (both within the US and internationally), and nowhere ended up with death rates per capita an order of magnitude larger than what we’re seeing in the US.

withinboredom 6y ago
I have a hunch (based on family and friends in the US) that the US is the only country that the population did its best to not take the measures seriously. Here in the Netherlands masks aren’t required in stores, but people still wear them anyway. Same with Sweden and France when I visited there over the summer. (Though France does require it in stores IIRC).
- cr1895 6y ago
  >Here in the Netherlands masks aren’t required in stores, but people still wear them anyway. I really disagree with your observations based on living in NL and visiting Sweden several times over the last few months. These are two very poor examples of countries where mask-wearing is prioritized and accepted. The Dutch government only a week or two ago "urgently advised" wearing masks indoors, and even with that advice in my own experience a majority of people are not wearing one. Before that, hardly anyone wore a mask indoors. I've traveled to Antwerp a few times for work in the past few months, and the prevalence of masks there compared to NL is striking. And Sweden generally has been quite averse to wearing masks in public...it's not ever been mandated anywhere, not even on transit like in NL. https://www.thelocal.se/20200831/sweden-remains-an-outlier-despite-nordic-u-turn-on-face-masks https://www.thelocal.se/20200831/sweden-remains-an-outlier-d...
  - withinboredom 6y ago
    I think it depends on where you go. At AH in our neighborhood, over 50% of people have a mask on. I went to Jumbo in another neighborhood today and no one had a mask on.

by wk_end 6y ago

withinboredom 6y ago

I have a hunch (based on family and friends in the US) that the US is the only country that the population did its best to not take the measures seriously. Here in the Netherlands masks aren’t required in stores, but people still wear them anyway. Same with Sweden and France when I visited there over the summer. (Though France does require it in stores IIRC).

cr1895 6y ago
>Here in the Netherlands masks aren’t required in stores, but people still wear them anyway. I really disagree with your observations based on living in NL and visiting Sweden several times over the last few months. These are two very poor examples of countries where mask-wearing is prioritized and accepted. The Dutch government only a week or two ago "urgently advised" wearing masks indoors, and even with that advice in my own experience a majority of people are not wearing one. Before that, hardly anyone wore a mask indoors. I've traveled to Antwerp a few times for work in the past few months, and the prevalence of masks there compared to NL is striking. And Sweden generally has been quite averse to wearing masks in public...it's not ever been mandated anywhere, not even on transit like in NL. https://www.thelocal.se/20200831/sweden-remains-an-outlier-despite-nordic-u-turn-on-face-masks https://www.thelocal.se/20200831/sweden-remains-an-outlier-d...
- withinboredom 6y ago
  I think it depends on where you go. At AH in our neighborhood, over 50% of people have a mask on. I went to Jumbo in another neighborhood today and no one had a mask on.