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This would be a 'local hidden variable' theory. According to wikipedia these have largely been ruled out: Most advocates of the hidden-variables idea believe t

This would be a 'local hidden variable' theory. According to wikipedia these have largely been ruled out: Most advocates of the hidden-variables idea believe that experiments have ruled out local hidden variables Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem#Bell_inequalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell%27s_theorem#Bell_inequali...

goldenkey 6y ago
It seems that hidden variables have always been made to be simple hidden states. But we now know about RNGs and seeds and such. A shared RNG seed is essentially entanglement. This delves more into complex hidden variables, that normal analyses ignore: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC137470/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC137470/
- kgwgk 6y ago
  > A shared RNG seed is essentially entanglement. Classical entanglement, which is not good enough to explain quantum entanglement.
  - aeternum 6y ago
    It can explain quantum entanglement, seems to be a version of superdeterminism. In QM, experiments show us that entangled particle spin probabilities vary non-linearly with the angle between detectors (even if those detectors are far apart). This means that either: 1) locality is broken.. state is somehow transmitted faster than the speed of light between particles. 2) realism is broken.. god plays dice with the universe But there's also a 3rd, which is: the choice of detector angle is not an independent variable (a necessary assumption for Bell's inequalities to hold).. instead the state of the universe is pre-determined and the experimenter's choice of detector angle is known beforehand so there is no need for spooky action at a distance. This isn't a very popular explanation since it provides no reason as to why we don't see this weird lack of independence elsewhere.
    - kgwgk 6y ago
      Well, if superdeterminism is an explanation there is nothing to explain ;-)

goldenkey 6y ago

It seems that hidden variables have always been made to be simple hidden states. But we now know about RNGs and seeds and such. A shared RNG seed is essentially entanglement. This delves more into complex hidden variables, that normal analyses ignore: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC137470/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC137470/

kgwgk 6y ago
> A shared RNG seed is essentially entanglement. Classical entanglement, which is not good enough to explain quantum entanglement.
- aeternum 6y ago
  It can explain quantum entanglement, seems to be a version of superdeterminism. In QM, experiments show us that entangled particle spin probabilities vary non-linearly with the angle between detectors (even if those detectors are far apart). This means that either: 1) locality is broken.. state is somehow transmitted faster than the speed of light between particles. 2) realism is broken.. god plays dice with the universe But there's also a 3rd, which is: the choice of detector angle is not an independent variable (a necessary assumption for Bell's inequalities to hold).. instead the state of the universe is pre-determined and the experimenter's choice of detector angle is known beforehand so there is no need for spooky action at a distance. This isn't a very popular explanation since it provides no reason as to why we don't see this weird lack of independence elsewhere.
  - kgwgk 6y ago
    Well, if superdeterminism is an explanation there is nothing to explain ;-)