They've been making progress very slow progress in downtown Portland in promoting some of these things, which I appreciate frankly. But I really wonder what you

They've been making progress very slow progress in downtown Portland in promoting some of these things, which I appreciate frankly. But I really wonder what you do with the suburbs. Perhaps, rapid urbanization? But that may push more people to suburbanizing even more, and you need these arterial roads to get traffic between the suburban and downtown/more condensed areas. I think it would be interesting to investigate the motives for suburban <-> urban area commutes and try to eliminate them first.