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This is likely due to the federal government stopping the federal noise control program in the early 80s [0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_Control

by jfim 6y ago

This is likely due to the federal government stopping the federal noise control program in the early 80s [0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_Control_Act https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_Control_Act

Larrikin 6y ago
Cool another awesome government program shut down during the Reagan years, I assume to provide more money for locking up people for buying drugs.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Can't sell arms to embargoed countries or support freedom fighters financially by reducing domestic noise pollution. (Or maybe one can: construction projects are large enough one might be able to launder in the noise, and I just lack the actuarial savvy to figure out how the triangular trade would work?)
burgerzzz 6y ago
This is a pretty short Wikipedia article. It's the the hum of tires on a nearby, busy highway/freeway that tend to make most of the noise. How did they intend on "controlling" the noise from vehicles without completely removing busy roads from urban areas?
- alextheparrot 6y ago
  Some freeways, especially near more affluent communities, do have sound padding walls to help mitigate sound. Presumably a regulatory body would be advocating for making those part of the code, alongside helping developing new technology. There was a good 99% Invisible recently on those headlight reflectors embedded in the asphalt, that’s a good example of where constraints (No lights during WW2 for fear of bombing) created the atmosphere for innovation. Regulations can artificially create those constraints as well.
- tirpen 6y ago
  What's wrong with removing busy roads from urban areas? The idea has been tried many times in many European cities and it has been proven to be an excellent idea almost every time. Making city centers into pedestrian zones with bike paths and a few bus lanes passing through does wonders for sound levels, safety, makes getting around easier, improves air quality and make the city centers more alive and pleasant. [Here is a report by the European Commission](https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pubs/pdf/streets_people.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pubs/pdf/streets_people.pdf) that analyses the effects of reclaiming streets from cats in eight different cities.
  - burgerzzz 6y ago
    They've been making progress very slow progress in downtown Portland in promoting some of these things, which I appreciate frankly. But I really wonder what you do with the suburbs. Perhaps, rapid urbanization? But that may push more people to suburbanizing even more, and you need these arterial roads to get traffic between the suburban and downtown/more condensed areas. I think it would be interesting to investigate the motives for suburban <-> urban area commutes and try to eliminate them first.
- throwaway189262 6y ago
  It's semi trucks. Most of the tire and wind noise from highways is semis. And maybe 90% of road wear. They aren't forced to pay for any of this, so semis end up subsidized heavily by taxpayers
  - rhacker 6y ago
    I don't disagree - but we would be subsidizing them anyway through higher cost of goods - since the only reason they are running around on the freeways is to deliver shit.

by jfim 6y ago

Larrikin 6y ago

Cool another awesome government program shut down during the Reagan years, I assume to provide more money for locking up people for buying drugs.

082349872349872 6y ago
Can't sell arms to embargoed countries or support freedom fighters financially by reducing domestic noise pollution. (Or maybe one can: construction projects are large enough one might be able to launder in the noise, and I just lack the actuarial savvy to figure out how the triangular trade would work?)

burgerzzz 6y ago

This is a pretty short Wikipedia article. It's the the hum of tires on a nearby, busy highway/freeway that tend to make most of the noise. How did they intend on "controlling" the noise from vehicles without completely removing busy roads from urban areas?

alextheparrot 6y ago
Some freeways, especially near more affluent communities, do have sound padding walls to help mitigate sound. Presumably a regulatory body would be advocating for making those part of the code, alongside helping developing new technology. There was a good 99% Invisible recently on those headlight reflectors embedded in the asphalt, that’s a good example of where constraints (No lights during WW2 for fear of bombing) created the atmosphere for innovation. Regulations can artificially create those constraints as well.
tirpen 6y ago
What's wrong with removing busy roads from urban areas? The idea has been tried many times in many European cities and it has been proven to be an excellent idea almost every time. Making city centers into pedestrian zones with bike paths and a few bus lanes passing through does wonders for sound levels, safety, makes getting around easier, improves air quality and make the city centers more alive and pleasant. [Here is a report by the European Commission](https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pubs/pdf/streets_people.pdf https://ec.europa.eu/environment/pubs/pdf/streets_people.pdf) that analyses the effects of reclaiming streets from cats in eight different cities.
- burgerzzz 6y ago
  They've been making progress very slow progress in downtown Portland in promoting some of these things, which I appreciate frankly. But I really wonder what you do with the suburbs. Perhaps, rapid urbanization? But that may push more people to suburbanizing even more, and you need these arterial roads to get traffic between the suburban and downtown/more condensed areas. I think it would be interesting to investigate the motives for suburban <-> urban area commutes and try to eliminate them first.
throwaway189262 6y ago
It's semi trucks. Most of the tire and wind noise from highways is semis. And maybe 90% of road wear. They aren't forced to pay for any of this, so semis end up subsidized heavily by taxpayers
- rhacker 6y ago
  I don't disagree - but we would be subsidizing them anyway through higher cost of goods - since the only reason they are running around on the freeways is to deliver shit.