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"Limited Programming Languages" AWS Lambda can run all programming languages via layers. Cloudflare Workers can run all programming languages that compile to

by k__ 6y ago

"Limited Programming Languages" AWS Lambda can run all programming languages via layers. Cloudflare Workers can run all programming languages that compile to WebAssembly. "Vendor Lock" True, but being locked into Kubetnetes isn't a cakewalk either. "Performance" Cold-starts aren't a thing for Cloudflare Workers and can be mitigated for AWS Lambda. AppSync and API Gateway don't even have them if you directly integrate with AWS services. "You Can't Run Entire Applications" You can and it has been done multiple times. Sure, you shouldn't blindly build everything with Lambda and API-Gateway without measuring. But many services, especially Cloudflare Workers are quite cheap.

shiftpgdn 6y ago
K8s can go almost anywhere any time with fairly minimal ramp. With the frequency I am hearing about AWS billing disputes these days it's probably best to not seal the keys to your kingdom in their service.
- k__ 6y ago
  The problem is getting K8s to the point that it can go almost anywhere.
  - brianwawok 6y ago
    Eh? I was able to go from a docker image to live and 0 downtime deploys in a few hours?
    - Silhouette 6y ago
      But how many hours/days/years did it take you to learn how all the parts move before you became capable of setting something like that up within a few hours? Anecdotally, stories of businesses abandoning entire cloud automation projects because they wasted weeks and never had anything to show from it don't seem unusual, so evidently a considerable amount of knowledge and skill is required to get value out of these tools.
      - k__ 6y ago
        This. I used K8s and serverless tech and while serverless wasn't as simple as some evangelists try to sell it, it was at least a magnitude simpler than K8s. Even managed K8s, which removed most of the admin plane work with nodes, was still significantly more work to get up and running.
      - brianwawok 6y ago
        None really? I don’t consider myself the worsts best Sysadmin, but the hard part was making an app docker. Making a docker k8s was easy.
    - Nextgrid 6y ago
      My worry is less about getting it set up to run a container and more about securing it, monitoring it and being able to respond should things go wrong.
synthc 6y ago
Sure, everything can be done serverless with a bunch of workarounds, that's one of the reasons it stalled IMO. Serverless makes somethings easier and other things harder, so it's advantages over good old fashioned servers are clear cut.
- mattmanser 6y ago
  Did you mean aren't clear cut? Autocorrect?
  - synthc 6y ago
    Yes, i meant "aren't". Damn you autocorrect!
- k__ 6y ago
  In my experience there are only a few edge-cases that need workarounds and even those get fewer with every release.
EdwardDiego 6y ago
> AppSync and API Gateway don't even have them if you directly integrate with AWS services. I was quite impressed when I exposed Kinesis via API Gateway, it just worked, although the Kinesis requirement that data be b64 encoded did require some fiddling about with mapping templates.
- k__ 6y ago
  People always think serverless mean FaaS, while in fact you should use FaaS only to glue together other serverless services when it's not otherwise possible. Sure, a container is better than a serverless function in many ways, but the function isn't what the container is competing with.
tuananh 6y ago
cloudflare workers has been doing very well for me too. the only problem is it's too tight down to CF

by k__ 6y ago

shiftpgdn 6y ago

K8s can go almost anywhere any time with fairly minimal ramp. With the frequency I am hearing about AWS billing disputes these days it's probably best to not seal the keys to your kingdom in their service.

k__ 6y ago
The problem is getting K8s to the point that it can go almost anywhere.
- brianwawok 6y ago
  Eh? I was able to go from a docker image to live and 0 downtime deploys in a few hours?
  - Silhouette 6y ago
    But how many hours/days/years did it take you to learn how all the parts move before you became capable of setting something like that up within a few hours? Anecdotally, stories of businesses abandoning entire cloud automation projects because they wasted weeks and never had anything to show from it don't seem unusual, so evidently a considerable amount of knowledge and skill is required to get value out of these tools.
    - k__ 6y ago
      This. I used K8s and serverless tech and while serverless wasn't as simple as some evangelists try to sell it, it was at least a magnitude simpler than K8s. Even managed K8s, which removed most of the admin plane work with nodes, was still significantly more work to get up and running.
    - brianwawok 6y ago
      None really? I don’t consider myself the worsts best Sysadmin, but the hard part was making an app docker. Making a docker k8s was easy.
  - Nextgrid 6y ago
    My worry is less about getting it set up to run a container and more about securing it, monitoring it and being able to respond should things go wrong.

synthc 6y ago

Sure, everything can be done serverless with a bunch of workarounds, that's one of the reasons it stalled IMO. Serverless makes somethings easier and other things harder, so it's advantages over good old fashioned servers are clear cut.

mattmanser 6y ago
Did you mean aren't clear cut? Autocorrect?
- synthc 6y ago
  Yes, i meant "aren't". Damn you autocorrect!
k__ 6y ago
In my experience there are only a few edge-cases that need workarounds and even those get fewer with every release.

EdwardDiego 6y ago

> AppSync and API Gateway don't even have them if you directly integrate with AWS services. I was quite impressed when I exposed Kinesis via API Gateway, it just worked, although the Kinesis requirement that data be b64 encoded did require some fiddling about with mapping templates.

k__ 6y ago
People always think serverless mean FaaS, while in fact you should use FaaS only to glue together other serverless services when it's not otherwise possible. Sure, a container is better than a serverless function in many ways, but the function isn't what the container is competing with.

tuananh 6y ago

cloudflare workers has been doing very well for me too. the only problem is it's too tight down to CF