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> This feels good if you’ve already made it or you grew up with the right connections, but it’s far from ideal you’re a promising developer who doesn’t yet have

• TuringNYC 6y ago
  Part of it is the conveyor belt of new frameworks and technologies, and binary litmus tests from first-line recruiters. Someone who could very well have invented javascript yet doesnt know ExpressReactVue[*]JS or framework du jour cannot get past first-line recruiters who are searching on Linked In keywords. Thus, both groups are in the same bucket. I wouldnt be surprised if some recruiters turn down python 3.6 candidates because they dont have python 3.7.
  • sokoloff 6y ago
    My prediction: Somebody with a realistic chance of inventing whatever the next javascript will be will do fine. Recruiters who screen them out are hurting their company not that candidate.
    • TuringNYC 6y ago
      I agree, i was exaggerating a bit but there is a spectrum between, say, Brendan Eich (on one extreme) and an average code camp graduate (on the other extreme). Think about those in the 75 to 50% region.
    • _qulr 6y ago
      I don't know, almost every day I regret the invention of JavaScript...
• marta_morena_28 6y ago
  They are and they aren't competing. The problem is that "long experienced developers" are often worse than "unproven newcomers". They aren't any better and instead of being a "lob of clay", they are "molded steel" and all the bad habits will never go away. True senior engineers from reputable companies are of course different than newcomers and they are interviewed quite differently at big companies. But the problem is that what candidates understand as "senior" and what FANNG companies understand as "senior", often have little to do with each other. And the reason is simply that most people who apply for a senior role, wouldn't even pass the entry level interview at a FANNG company. It's just the sad reality. And this does not mean the entry level interview is wrong. It just means that these "senior" candidates were instead just junior developers who never developed beyond that from a skill perspective (except in their own heads). And at FANNG companies, to even be considered for a senior position interview, you MUST have the credentials on your CV to prove it. However, a lot of candidates will never be interviewed for a senior position, even if their CV is "ten pages" long, because its apparent that this experience will be unlikely to have prepared you for a senior position at a FANNG company. Being a senior engineer at a FANNG company is demanding and difficult on many more levels than just raw coding. You could be the best coder in the world, but that won't make you a senior engineer. It will make you a top mid-level engineer and you will never get beyond that without acquiring non-technical skills. Most people simply won't be able to do this job, no matter how long they stay in the industry. And I can assure you that there is little similarity in how interviews are conducted for these positions vs. college grads. A senior engineer is essentially a developer who wants to still code, while also being a manager and a leader.
  • bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
    A senior engineer at a FAANG company is a mid-level role, while at many smaller bootstrapped startups I've interviewed at they're insistent on an older model in which "senior" denotes 10+ years of experience.
  • delphinius81 6y ago
    I would add that many of the "senior" engineers in SV received that title because they joined a startup 6-months before the company secured major funding and massively scaled. Seniority/familiarity with the startup's stack != senior.