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I personally don't think they know this now. As originally defined year of Linux as a desktop is never going to happen but I know lots of people that never come

I personally don't think they know this now. As originally defined year of Linux as a desktop is never going to happen but I know lots of people that never come close to a Windows desktop these days. Lots of former windows desktops have been replaced with Phones, Tablets and Chromebooks. While these are not all Linux, they do replace what would have historically been a Windows sale. MS losing mobile killed the idea of Windows everywhere and once they lost that they had to play well with others or risk sales in other places.

garmaine 6y ago
Microsoft's monopoly now is over Office, not Windows.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
Calling any phone, tablet, or Chromebook "Linux" is only true in the strictest sense that they us a Linux kernel. Everything that is the Linux Desktop experience was scrapped and replaced.
- thekyle 6y ago
  Well Chrome OS at least can install any Debian app. They work pretty well too and are the closest thing Chrome OS has to native desktop apps.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    For that matter, so can Windows these days. Somehow I don't think that's what any "Linux on the Desktop" people had in mind.
    - chao- 6y ago
      I completely agree, but it is worth pointing out that even "the desktop" looks different from how it did when the phrase originated, to say nothing of the digital tools and spaces that are not desktops. As a daily user of Linux desktops for over a decade (and known to be stick-in-the-mud about my desktop experience), even I have awoken to some shifts in my perspective and expectations, but only in an after-the-fact manner.
- dheera 6y ago
  > Everything that is the Linux Desktop experience was scrapped and replaced. That's true of every Linux distro as well. Ubuntu pretty much scrapped all the shitty looking window managers of RedHat (FWHM, FWHM95, AfterStep, etc.) and replaced it with another one that looks nice but has shitty usability. Building a good looking and functional window manager on top of a Linux kernel still is a form of Linux in some sense.
- mohaine 6y ago
  True in the strictest sense is test best kind of true.

garmaine 6y ago

Microsoft's monopoly now is over Office, not Windows.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

Calling any phone, tablet, or Chromebook "Linux" is only true in the strictest sense that they us a Linux kernel. Everything that is the Linux Desktop experience was scrapped and replaced.

thekyle 6y ago
Well Chrome OS at least can install any Debian app. They work pretty well too and are the closest thing Chrome OS has to native desktop apps.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  For that matter, so can Windows these days. Somehow I don't think that's what any "Linux on the Desktop" people had in mind.
  - chao- 6y ago
    I completely agree, but it is worth pointing out that even "the desktop" looks different from how it did when the phrase originated, to say nothing of the digital tools and spaces that are not desktops. As a daily user of Linux desktops for over a decade (and known to be stick-in-the-mud about my desktop experience), even I have awoken to some shifts in my perspective and expectations, but only in an after-the-fact manner.
dheera 6y ago
> Everything that is the Linux Desktop experience was scrapped and replaced. That's true of every Linux distro as well. Ubuntu pretty much scrapped all the shitty looking window managers of RedHat (FWHM, FWHM95, AfterStep, etc.) and replaced it with another one that looks nice but has shitty usability. Building a good looking and functional window manager on top of a Linux kernel still is a form of Linux in some sense.
mohaine 6y ago
True in the strictest sense is test best kind of true.