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> Assuming an average $25/address It'll be $50/address in a year, $100/address in 2022; I'm sure of it. Methinks now would be a very good time to invest^wspec

> Assuming an average $25/address It'll be $50/address in a year, $100/address in 2022; I'm sure of it. Methinks now would be a very good time to invest^wspeculate in IPv4 addresses - I reckon it will be the next Bitcoin bubble-type event and likely even make it to the silly segment of TV news, with lampoonably inaccurate explanations of what an IPv4 address is to the general public.

Cullinet 6y ago
Exactly. What was the reason why do much money was required at this specific time? British businesses might have been natural customers for this address space, since the UK IDD code is 00 44. I would gladly pay $50 per IP for what is almost the only virgin address space going, if I had been offered. Diligent address space title management including some genuinely tough identification requirements, managed by any top tier corporate actions specialist, could have multiplied the value several times immediately, and then there would have been increased inflation rates applicable to the range precisely because of this management.
nixgeek 6y ago
Its been appreciating slowly for the last 5 years, I’ve seen deals in the $20-25 range throughout that time, and a few larger contiguous blocks going for a little more but not $50/ea. You can monitor secondary market prices through RIPE fairly easily. What’s leading you to be sure it will increase 400% in the next 24 months?
- DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
  > What’s leading you to be sure it will increase 400% in the next 24 months? Honestly? Just a hunch. But also looking at trends on IPv4Auctions.com (now auctions.ip4.global), a few years ago blocks would go for $7/address, now they're $25/address - and as demand for IPv4 addresses won't be going away[1] and supply will only decrease (barring rare gluts of supply like AMPRnet's when a major /21 or /16 is broken down into smaller blocks to auction off). I think $100/address would be an upper-bound though, because at that point it's likely cheaper to finally invest in IPv6 deployment, including issuing new CPE than it costs to retain IPv4. [1] If an ISP could have deployed IPv6 by now then they would have done 5+ years ago. Any ISPs that haven't already deployed IPv6 by now (or even 5 years ago) must be facing some massive internal hurdles, such as incompetent management who see it as a massive and unnecessary technical expense when CG-NAT is good-enough for the majority of their customers - or have a hetereogenous network that would be a nightmare to bring up-to-code on any reasonable timescale). The only way these ISPs will upgrade is when the cost of operating an IPv4 network becomes unbearable - hence why I want to see IPv4 address costs skyrocket :)
wmf 6y ago
Note that IPv4 speculation is technically against the rules. Be sure to factor in the cost of "laundering" the IPs into your business plan.
icedchai 6y ago
I own a /24 registered back in the 90's. This is a "legacy" registration predating ARIN, meaning I pay no fees and never have. I have people emailing me about it now and then, but haven't sold it yet. I am using it for some dev servers.

Cullinet 6y ago

Exactly. What was the reason why do much money was required at this specific time? British businesses might have been natural customers for this address space, since the UK IDD code is 00 44. I would gladly pay $50 per IP for what is almost the only virgin address space going, if I had been offered. Diligent address space title management including some genuinely tough identification requirements, managed by any top tier corporate actions specialist, could have multiplied the value several times immediately, and then there would have been increased inflation rates applicable to the range precisely because of this management.

nixgeek 6y ago

Its been appreciating slowly for the last 5 years, I’ve seen deals in the $20-25 range throughout that time, and a few larger contiguous blocks going for a little more but not $50/ea. You can monitor secondary market prices through RIPE fairly easily. What’s leading you to be sure it will increase 400% in the next 24 months?

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
> What’s leading you to be sure it will increase 400% in the next 24 months? Honestly? Just a hunch. But also looking at trends on IPv4Auctions.com (now auctions.ip4.global), a few years ago blocks would go for $7/address, now they're $25/address - and as demand for IPv4 addresses won't be going away[1] and supply will only decrease (barring rare gluts of supply like AMPRnet's when a major /21 or /16 is broken down into smaller blocks to auction off). I think $100/address would be an upper-bound though, because at that point it's likely cheaper to finally invest in IPv6 deployment, including issuing new CPE than it costs to retain IPv4. [1] If an ISP could have deployed IPv6 by now then they would have done 5+ years ago. Any ISPs that haven't already deployed IPv6 by now (or even 5 years ago) must be facing some massive internal hurdles, such as incompetent management who see it as a massive and unnecessary technical expense when CG-NAT is good-enough for the majority of their customers - or have a hetereogenous network that would be a nightmare to bring up-to-code on any reasonable timescale). The only way these ISPs will upgrade is when the cost of operating an IPv4 network becomes unbearable - hence why I want to see IPv4 address costs skyrocket :)

wmf 6y ago

Note that IPv4 speculation is technically against the rules. Be sure to factor in the cost of "laundering" the IPs into your business plan.

icedchai 6y ago

I own a /24 registered back in the 90's. This is a "legacy" registration predating ARIN, meaning I pay no fees and never have. I have people emailing me about it now and then, but haven't sold it yet. I am using it for some dev servers.