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Somehow you completely missed the point of the paradox of tolerance. You cite it as if it wasn't completely contrary to what you are saying. Facebook's acts ar
by donatj 6y ago
Somehow you completely missed the point of the paradox of tolerance.
You cite it as if it wasn't completely contrary to what you are saying. Facebook's acts are being intolerant to beliefs they disagree with.
The paradox of tolerance states that "society must be intolerant of intolerance" thus society must be intolerant to Facebook's intolerant actions here.
- anigbrowl 6y agoYou're just using abstraction to move the subject from the first incidence of 'intolerance' to the second, ie suggesting that FB's choice to target content is the epitome of intolerance, rather than considering the nature of the content they are attempting to socially sanction. Eliding context to reframe a specific action as a general behavior is misleading, although you may not have realize this.
- donatj 6y agoI'm not using abstraction, I'm using the literal meaning of the word. Intolerance is not allowing something, usually that you disagree with. Censorship = Intolerance. Further, I don't think not believing in something, nor expressing that disbelief thereof qualifies as "intolerance" by any definition. What specifically is not being tolerated?
- nkoren 6y agoHolocaust denial is inseparably bound up with being intolerant of the right for Jews (and Roma, and Homosexuals, and so forth.) to exist. If you are a holocaust denialist, then you are by definition absolutely intolerant, and I am perfectly fine with you being expunged from any community of the civilised.
- donatj 6y agoI disagree with your premise. Just because a belief can be associated with another belief by a venn diagram of people who believe them, doesn't make the two intrinsically linked. I am a person of jewish descent, and I find the action of silencing people far more disturbing and closer to that of the reich, than those of the people being silenced.
- shadowgovt 6y agoI disagree with your definition of "intrinsically linked." if the Venn diagram is nearly a circle, the two are intrinsically linked.
- albedoa 6y agoThen you are not arguing that OP missed the point of the Paradox of Intolerance. You are arguing that Holocaust denialism is not intolerance. How many people publicly deny the Holocaust but are otherwise tolerant of Jews, homosexuals, etc.? I'm really curious what you think that Venn diagram looks like.
- donatj 6y agoIf you're posting actually intolerant views, yes, be intolerant to intolerance. That's not this though. Banning views that may be associated with otherwise intolerant people but aren't themselves intolerant is just a road to hell. It's literally stereotyping. You could draw a lot of very hateful venn diagrams against most major religions. That shouldn't stop people from expressing their faith because you can draw a line.