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> It should be noted that there actually are debates among historians about the Holocaust but these are not over whether it happened [...] Will this be allowed

> It should be noted that there actually are debates among historians about the Holocaust but these are not over whether it happened [...] Will this be allowed on Facebook? I don’t have an opinion either way, but I think the original concern with removing “Denial” content was that it would impact this type of debate.

hef19898 6y ago
Why would it, as no real historian denies the Holocaust. But that is besides the point, as these discussions propably don't need facebook to take place. And if they do, that in itself might be part of the problem.
- strawberrypuree 6y ago
  The GP established there are legitimate conversations being had about aspects of the Holocaust that do not deny that it happened. This is a nuance that sets a precedent for other discussions of controversial topics. I think it’s important that common people understand the difference between Denial, Revisionism, and legitimate debate, and have a way of discovering this information without being lumped in with antisemites I somewhat agree that it doesn’t “need” to happen on Facebook, and I think it’s OK to stake that out as a rule: Don’t debate anything about the Holocaust on Facebook, take it elsewhere. Meet with your history buff friends on Telegram and hash it out.
  - hef19898 6y ago
    Given how much conspiracy shit happens on Telegram, I wouldn't advise using that. That being said, as long as the discussion is based facts, primary sources as much as possible and doesn't cherry pick and stake up the Holocaust against other war crimes, I agree that we need these discussions.
    - strawberrypuree 6y ago
      Is there a crowdsourced, fact-focused social network that doesn’t depend on ad revenue? WT.social? We need moderation with popular support, and a values system that isn’t influenced by capitalist concerns.

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> It should be noted that there actually are debates among historians about the Holocaust but these are not over whether it happened [...] Will this be allowed

by strawberrypuree 6y ago

hef19898 6y ago
Why would it, as no real historian denies the Holocaust. But that is besides the point, as these discussions propably don't need facebook to take place. And if they do, that in itself might be part of the problem.
- strawberrypuree 6y ago
  The GP established there are legitimate conversations being had about aspects of the Holocaust that do not deny that it happened. This is a nuance that sets a precedent for other discussions of controversial topics. I think it’s important that common people understand the difference between Denial, Revisionism, and legitimate debate, and have a way of discovering this information without being lumped in with antisemites I somewhat agree that it doesn’t “need” to happen on Facebook, and I think it’s OK to stake that out as a rule: Don’t debate anything about the Holocaust on Facebook, take it elsewhere. Meet with your history buff friends on Telegram and hash it out.
  - hef19898 6y ago
    Given how much conspiracy shit happens on Telegram, I wouldn't advise using that. That being said, as long as the discussion is based facts, primary sources as much as possible and doesn't cherry pick and stake up the Holocaust against other war crimes, I agree that we need these discussions.
    - strawberrypuree 6y ago
      Is there a crowdsourced, fact-focused social network that doesn’t depend on ad revenue? WT.social? We need moderation with popular support, and a values system that isn’t influenced by capitalist concerns.