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I'm not sure why this is downvoted. There are many people, particularly in Tukey, who deny the Armenian genocide (hell there's a even a podcast named after the

by nailer 6y ago

I'm not sure why this is downvoted. There are many people, particularly in Tukey, who deny the Armenian genocide (hell there's a even a podcast named after the people that did it). Tiananmen is also downplayed by CCP officials outside China and denied within China.

eitland 6y ago
Probably because the comment is taken to mean that we shouldn't do anything about this case because we aren't doing enough on the other ones.
- nailer 6y ago
  I don't think that's what it's arguing for, but rather than Facebook should have a consistent policy.
  - eitland 6y ago
    If so I'd encourage them to rewrite the post to make that clearer.
    - vorpalhex 6y ago
      There are several ways to respond. We can take the absolutist position that Facebook should never censor - and that may be OK if Facebook actually holds to that positions and trains their audience correctly ("Hey, everything on your feed is unverified and you should never consider anything you read here as having value"). Facebook has a long history of engaging in censorship of some kind though, so that's very unlikely as an actual outcome. They could try to form a coherent policy ("We shall censor nudity, things that disagree with US history books and anything that shows violence that isn't a cartoon") but those policies are probably impossible to write. They're probably in a ditch they can't rescue themselves from so they're going to stick to the "Well, we'll censor it based on how our censor feels at the moment and their individual preferences, and if we don't agree with that later, we'll fire them and make up a new policy" which is what they've been doing for a while. I don't imagine Facebook would say, allow the Snowden disclosures under pressure from the US, so I don't see how they can claim any moral ground on what they would or would not censor. Everyone hates Nazis, but the interesting cases are beyond that. Never assume a practice run is in good faith.
    - nailer 6y ago
      Judging from the replies it's clear to most people
kaibee 6y ago
> (hell there's a even a podcast named after the people that did it) This isn't exactly accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks Unless you're also condemning Rod Stewart as being pro Armenian genocide or something? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEW5XLnQRx8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEW5XLnQRx8
- nailer 6y ago
  The CUP faction of the Young Turks were in power in 1915 when the genocide began. From the page you just linked to: > Around this period, the CUP's relationship to the Armenian Genocide shifted. Early on, Armenians had perceived the CUP as allies;[citation needed] and the beginnings of the Genocide, in the 1909 Adana massacre, had been rooted in reactionary Ottoman backlash against the Young Turks. But during World War I, the CUP's increasing nationalism began to lead them to participate in the genocide. In 2005, the International Association of Genocide Scholars affirmed[16] that scholarly evidence revealed the CUP "government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens and unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. Rod Steward isn't running a political podcast, so our expectations are lower.

by nailer 6y ago

eitland 6y ago

Probably because the comment is taken to mean that we shouldn't do anything about this case because we aren't doing enough on the other ones.

nailer 6y ago
I don't think that's what it's arguing for, but rather than Facebook should have a consistent policy.
- eitland 6y ago
  If so I'd encourage them to rewrite the post to make that clearer.
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    There are several ways to respond. We can take the absolutist position that Facebook should never censor - and that may be OK if Facebook actually holds to that positions and trains their audience correctly ("Hey, everything on your feed is unverified and you should never consider anything you read here as having value"). Facebook has a long history of engaging in censorship of some kind though, so that's very unlikely as an actual outcome. They could try to form a coherent policy ("We shall censor nudity, things that disagree with US history books and anything that shows violence that isn't a cartoon") but those policies are probably impossible to write. They're probably in a ditch they can't rescue themselves from so they're going to stick to the "Well, we'll censor it based on how our censor feels at the moment and their individual preferences, and if we don't agree with that later, we'll fire them and make up a new policy" which is what they've been doing for a while. I don't imagine Facebook would say, allow the Snowden disclosures under pressure from the US, so I don't see how they can claim any moral ground on what they would or would not censor. Everyone hates Nazis, but the interesting cases are beyond that. Never assume a practice run is in good faith.
  - nailer 6y ago
    Judging from the replies it's clear to most people

kaibee 6y ago

> (hell there's a even a podcast named after the people that did it) This isn't exactly accurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Turks Unless you're also condemning Rod Stewart as being pro Armenian genocide or something? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEW5XLnQRx8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEW5XLnQRx8

nailer 6y ago
The CUP faction of the Young Turks were in power in 1915 when the genocide began. From the page you just linked to: > Around this period, the CUP's relationship to the Armenian Genocide shifted. Early on, Armenians had perceived the CUP as allies;[citation needed] and the beginnings of the Genocide, in the 1909 Adana massacre, had been rooted in reactionary Ottoman backlash against the Young Turks. But during World War I, the CUP's increasing nationalism began to lead them to participate in the genocide. In 2005, the International Association of Genocide Scholars affirmed[16] that scholarly evidence revealed the CUP "government of the Ottoman Empire began a systematic genocide of its Armenian citizens and unarmed Christian minority population. More than a million Armenians were exterminated through direct killing, starvation, torture, and forced death marches. Rod Steward isn't running a political podcast, so our expectations are lower.