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I mean, there's a whole lot of people in this thread saying that Windows scaling works perfectly for them when it definitely doesn't for me (use Windows-arrow t

by tolien 6y ago

I mean, there's a whole lot of people in this thread saying that Windows scaling works perfectly for them when it definitely doesn't for me (use Windows-arrow to move browser window from a 4k to a 2k monitor and back again a few times, it'll eventually change shape and size). Just like reporting Ubuntu bugs feels like shouting into the void, what are your chances as an end user of MS quickly fixing a bug you find?

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
The experience of finding solutions to Windows problems, which is in fact a significant portion of my day job, is vastly superior regardless of the fact that opening issues with Microsoft support is useless. For one, things generally aren't radically overhauled ever 2 years making all previous documentation on a subject obsolete. For two, when you talk with other Windows admins about a problem you're having, you don't get "well it works for me" presented as though it is somehow helpful.
- vetinari 6y ago
  When you talk to Linux admins, they don't try to claim that something you know very well on your platform doesn't work either. Windows folks, come out of woodwork doing claims about things they have zero knowledge about. Or they heard about it 20 years ago and think that nothing changed since then, despite everything being overhauled every 2 years.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    > When you talk to Linux admins, they don't try to claim that something you know very well on your platform doesn't work either. In Windows land I don't have to know something very well to get reasonable help on it. Besides which, I know from personal experience that Linux Desktop people will assume all sorts of things about you. Quite often I will ask something like "is it possible to make X do Y?" and the response will be something like "you shouldn't do Y. Why do you want to do Y? You should do Z instead, I've only ever needed to do Z".
    - vetinari 6y ago
      In Windows land, there's as much as incompetent advice as in Linux one. It is about people, not systems. > Quite often I will ask something like "is it possible to make X do Y?" and the response will be something like "you shouldn't do Y. Why do you want to do Y? You should do Z instead, I've only ever needed to do Z". Ever seen the answers in Microsoft Community? It is either this, or a complete misdirection, so some Microsoft contractor could prove his productivity, and in the end solving nothing. --- I'm using all three desktop systems: Linux, Mac and Windows. No, the grass is not greener on either side. Every single of them has its problems, and every one of them has its stronger points. However, "if you still can’t properly support 4K scaling in 2020" is complete nonsense.
      - tolien 6y ago
        > Ever seen the answers in Microsoft Community? It is either this, or a complete misdirection, so some Microsoft contractor could prove his productivity, and in the end solving nothing. Just reinstall Windows, that'll fix all your problems! (/s)
- tolien 6y ago
  > For two, when you talk with other Windows admins about a problem you're having, you don't get "well it works for me" presented as though it is somehow helpful. If I had a pound for the number of times I've had Windows issues, Googled the error code (because error code 0x800704cf is so intelligible) and found some mix of "I'm having the same problem, how do I fix it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" or "just reinstall".
  - peteri 6y ago
    Well that is a pretty understandable error code from winerror.h: 0x8007 - warning in facility 7 (WIN32) 0x04c7 - 1231L - ERROR_NETWORK_UNREACHABLE // MessageId: ERROR_NETWORK_UNREACHABLE // MessageText: // The network location cannot be reached. For information about network troubleshooting, see Windows Help. #define ERROR_NETWORK_UNREACHABLE 1231L
    - tolien 6y ago
      If you know to consult the C header files for Windows, maybe, bearing in mind that comment was in response to this: > The experience of finding solutions to Windows problems, which is in fact a significant portion of my day job, is vastly superior Second result for "0x800704cf windows 10" is this shambles on MS's own discussion site: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update-winpc/0x800704cf-on-windows-10-pc/c3a01f97-e76e-407a-ae0d-4d9a58ba7fe3 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10... where the poster says they spent hours on the phone to MS trying to get support and on the way had done some insane registry fiddling to try to fix it before discovering it was an issue with their user account.

by tolien 6y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

The experience of finding solutions to Windows problems, which is in fact a significant portion of my day job, is vastly superior regardless of the fact that opening issues with Microsoft support is useless. For one, things generally aren't radically overhauled ever 2 years making all previous documentation on a subject obsolete. For two, when you talk with other Windows admins about a problem you're having, you don't get "well it works for me" presented as though it is somehow helpful.

vetinari 6y ago
When you talk to Linux admins, they don't try to claim that something you know very well on your platform doesn't work either. Windows folks, come out of woodwork doing claims about things they have zero knowledge about. Or they heard about it 20 years ago and think that nothing changed since then, despite everything being overhauled every 2 years.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  > When you talk to Linux admins, they don't try to claim that something you know very well on your platform doesn't work either. In Windows land I don't have to know something very well to get reasonable help on it. Besides which, I know from personal experience that Linux Desktop people will assume all sorts of things about you. Quite often I will ask something like "is it possible to make X do Y?" and the response will be something like "you shouldn't do Y. Why do you want to do Y? You should do Z instead, I've only ever needed to do Z".
  - vetinari 6y ago
    In Windows land, there's as much as incompetent advice as in Linux one. It is about people, not systems. > Quite often I will ask something like "is it possible to make X do Y?" and the response will be something like "you shouldn't do Y. Why do you want to do Y? You should do Z instead, I've only ever needed to do Z". Ever seen the answers in Microsoft Community? It is either this, or a complete misdirection, so some Microsoft contractor could prove his productivity, and in the end solving nothing. --- I'm using all three desktop systems: Linux, Mac and Windows. No, the grass is not greener on either side. Every single of them has its problems, and every one of them has its stronger points. However, "if you still can’t properly support 4K scaling in 2020" is complete nonsense.
    - tolien 6y ago
      > Ever seen the answers in Microsoft Community? It is either this, or a complete misdirection, so some Microsoft contractor could prove his productivity, and in the end solving nothing. Just reinstall Windows, that'll fix all your problems! (/s)
tolien 6y ago
> For two, when you talk with other Windows admins about a problem you're having, you don't get "well it works for me" presented as though it is somehow helpful. If I had a pound for the number of times I've had Windows issues, Googled the error code (because error code 0x800704cf is so intelligible) and found some mix of "I'm having the same problem, how do I fix it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" or "just reinstall".
- peteri 6y ago
  Well that is a pretty understandable error code from winerror.h: 0x8007 - warning in facility 7 (WIN32) 0x04c7 - 1231L - ERROR_NETWORK_UNREACHABLE // MessageId: ERROR_NETWORK_UNREACHABLE // MessageText: // The network location cannot be reached. For information about network troubleshooting, see Windows Help. #define ERROR_NETWORK_UNREACHABLE 1231L
  - tolien 6y ago
    If you know to consult the C header files for Windows, maybe, bearing in mind that comment was in response to this: > The experience of finding solutions to Windows problems, which is in fact a significant portion of my day job, is vastly superior Second result for "0x800704cf windows 10" is this shambles on MS's own discussion site: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-update-winpc/0x800704cf-on-windows-10-pc/c3a01f97-e76e-407a-ae0d-4d9a58ba7fe3 https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10... where the poster says they spent hours on the phone to MS trying to get support and on the way had done some insane registry fiddling to try to fix it before discovering it was an issue with their user account.