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"Works for me (TM)" Linux Desktop Evangelism playbook hasn't changed since 2000.

thrwyoilarticle 6y ago
Because it's the only retort to the unfalsifiable 'it doesn't work for me'. Anybody who uses Windows 10 with any regularity will also run into things that just do not work: for me, recently, it's Windows deciding that I want my sound to output to my monitor (which doesn't have speakers). The only reason Windows issues are treated differently to Linux's is that it's treated as the default.
- snazz 6y ago
  Your monitor might have an audio out port. That's why my monitor is the default sound output when I have my Mac connected. It doesn't sound like a Windows bug unless your monitor is actually incapable of outputting sound at all. In that case, I'd wager your monitor is advertising sound when it has none. I'm not saying that Windows bugs don't exist (I've run into lots), but I'm guessing that this isn't a Windows bug.
  - thrwyoilarticle 6y ago
    It doesn't what my monitor does: I disable the output to it in Windows every time. And every time, Windows re-enables it.
    - snazz 6y ago
      That does sound like a Windows bug. In that case, disregard my previous message.
michaelmrose 6y ago
How is it different than "Doesn't work for me TM" The linux fanboy definition of works is either works out of the box or can be made to work. The opposite position seems to be must work out of the box on any of 50 distros on any hardware I buy at Walmart AND must invent time travel to change the fact that it didn't work 7 years ago on the Acer I bought from that weirdo on Craigslist the only time I actually tried installing it. Take High DPI It kinda looks like cinnamon for example supports HiDPI out of the box but all the knobs are there if you want to tweak how different things scale. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI If on your distro something isn't configured correctly for 4k screens the fanboy says its workable because there is a readily available resource that will tell you how to achieve the result you desire. The anti fanboy will throw up their hands and say Linux sucks. An argument can be made that that this isn't good enough for "grandma" or "regular people". I see problems in consumer electronics and windows that are too hard for grandma or "regular people" all the time. If they don't want to install and configure it presumably they can pay Lenovo or Dell to do it for them just as they do presently. If it comes with a high dpi screen presumably they will configure it for such.
- the_only_law 6y ago
  > If on your distro something isn't configured correctly for 4k screens the fanboy says its workable because there is a readily available resource that will tell you how to achieve the result you desire. > The anti fanboy will throw up their hands and say Linux sucks. This is a strange false dichotomy
  - ziftface 6y ago
    I think the implication was that it isn't a dichotomy. There is a third group of people who are neither fanboys nor anti fanboys.
    - michaelmrose 6y ago
      Perhaps I should have said hater. Yes there is a massive group in the middle that doesn't have a dog in the race only techies and nerds have favorite OS like other people have sports teams. On average people are buying boxes that come with software and using whatever came with their box.
sergeykish 6y ago
You can't be Windows user on Linux. At least in this issue someone resolved the problem. That's good signal, Linux user would ask how - hardware, distribution, tutorials, links etc. You see ignorance. It is not about him, it is about you.

Because it's the only retort to the unfalsifiable 'it doesn't work for me'. Anybody who uses Windows 10 with any regularity will also run into things that just do not work: for me, recently, it's Windows deciding that I want my sound to output to my monitor (which doesn't have speakers). The only reason Windows issues are treated differently to Linux's is that it's treated as the default.

snazz 6y ago
Your monitor might have an audio out port. That's why my monitor is the default sound output when I have my Mac connected. It doesn't sound like a Windows bug unless your monitor is actually incapable of outputting sound at all. In that case, I'd wager your monitor is advertising sound when it has none. I'm not saying that Windows bugs don't exist (I've run into lots), but I'm guessing that this isn't a Windows bug.
- thrwyoilarticle 6y ago
  It doesn't what my monitor does: I disable the output to it in Windows every time. And every time, Windows re-enables it.
  - snazz 6y ago
    That does sound like a Windows bug. In that case, disregard my previous message.

michaelmrose 6y ago

How is it different than "Doesn't work for me TM" The linux fanboy definition of works is either works out of the box or can be made to work. The opposite position seems to be must work out of the box on any of 50 distros on any hardware I buy at Walmart AND must invent time travel to change the fact that it didn't work 7 years ago on the Acer I bought from that weirdo on Craigslist the only time I actually tried installing it. Take High DPI It kinda looks like cinnamon for example supports HiDPI out of the box but all the knobs are there if you want to tweak how different things scale. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI If on your distro something isn't configured correctly for 4k screens the fanboy says its workable because there is a readily available resource that will tell you how to achieve the result you desire. The anti fanboy will throw up their hands and say Linux sucks. An argument can be made that that this isn't good enough for "grandma" or "regular people". I see problems in consumer electronics and windows that are too hard for grandma or "regular people" all the time. If they don't want to install and configure it presumably they can pay Lenovo or Dell to do it for them just as they do presently. If it comes with a high dpi screen presumably they will configure it for such.

the_only_law 6y ago
> If on your distro something isn't configured correctly for 4k screens the fanboy says its workable because there is a readily available resource that will tell you how to achieve the result you desire. > The anti fanboy will throw up their hands and say Linux sucks. This is a strange false dichotomy
- ziftface 6y ago
  I think the implication was that it isn't a dichotomy. There is a third group of people who are neither fanboys nor anti fanboys.
  - michaelmrose 6y ago
    Perhaps I should have said hater. Yes there is a massive group in the middle that doesn't have a dog in the race only techies and nerds have favorite OS like other people have sports teams. On average people are buying boxes that come with software and using whatever came with their box.

sergeykish 6y ago

You can't be Windows user on Linux. At least in this issue someone resolved the problem. That's good signal, Linux user would ask how - hardware, distribution, tutorials, links etc. You see ignorance. It is not about him, it is about you.