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"The rate was significantly higher than what Bradley had paid the workers in Pakistan. (Offshore developers charge as little as twenty-five dollars an hour." T

"The rate was significantly higher than what Bradley had paid the workers in Pakistan. (Offshore developers charge as little as twenty-five dollars an hour." This is incredible.

mgkimsal 6y ago
what part? the $25? or $250? Even for 6 years ago, that didn't seem all that incredible. Big pain points with 'offshore' include timezone work, language and cultural differences, missing of body language, etc. My experience has been most offshore folks are afraid to ask clarifying questions, which introduces a lot of delays over the long haul, but makes it feel at the the start of a project like things will go great.
- nathias 6y ago
  25$ I thought it was much less, I'm not even making half that.
  - square_usual 6y ago
    The $25/h is probably overall consulting fee per billable hour. The programmer won't be seeing the full amount.
    - nathias 6y ago
      yes, its still a lot more than I thought they are getting
      - mgkimsal 6y ago
        Interesting. When I was younger (just starting out) I didn't have much idea of how much markup others had when I was working for them (as employee or contractor). I typically thought it might be 20-25% markup. And... in some cases I know it's that, but that has tended to be the low end. It's usually more like minimum 50% markup; if you're getting $50/hr from an agency, they're charging at least $75/hr, probably more. If you're getting $60/hr, they're probably charging at least $90/hr, and so on.
  - C1sc0cat 6y ago
    Depends on country 25$ an hour is only a day rate of £160 in the UK. £400 is a good day rate for a average contract programmer outside London.
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    Yup. Living in Poland, I contracted for an US firm, my rate was actually $26/hour. Which was a 3x step up from my previous salary in a local company, and way above average in terms of general salaries in my country.
- machiaweliczny 6y ago
  In Poland consulting agencies are charging 50-100$ and paying 50-150PLN (1/4) to devs.
kgwgk 6y ago
Software developers in Western Europe often earn less than twenty-five dollars an hour. I wonder where that "as little as twenty-five dollars an hour" comes from.
- flurben 6y ago
  It was from an interview in New Yorker magazine, so it probably comes from a comparison of US to non-US labor rates. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm Median hourly rate in the US ranges about $41/hr for 'Computer Programmers' to $70/hr for 'Computer and IS Managers.' In a state like New York the rates would be even higher, perhaps much higher.

"The rate was significantly higher than what Bradley had paid the workers in Pakistan. (Offshore developers charge as little as twenty-five dollars an hour." This is incredible.

mgkimsal 6y ago

what part? the $25? or $250? Even for 6 years ago, that didn't seem all that incredible. Big pain points with 'offshore' include timezone work, language and cultural differences, missing of body language, etc. My experience has been most offshore folks are afraid to ask clarifying questions, which introduces a lot of delays over the long haul, but makes it feel at the the start of a project like things will go great.

nathias 6y ago
25$ I thought it was much less, I'm not even making half that.
- square_usual 6y ago
  The $25/h is probably overall consulting fee per billable hour. The programmer won't be seeing the full amount.
  - nathias 6y ago
    yes, its still a lot more than I thought they are getting
    - mgkimsal 6y ago
      Interesting. When I was younger (just starting out) I didn't have much idea of how much markup others had when I was working for them (as employee or contractor). I typically thought it might be 20-25% markup. And... in some cases I know it's that, but that has tended to be the low end. It's usually more like minimum 50% markup; if you're getting $50/hr from an agency, they're charging at least $75/hr, probably more. If you're getting $60/hr, they're probably charging at least $90/hr, and so on.
- C1sc0cat 6y ago
  Depends on country 25$ an hour is only a day rate of £160 in the UK. £400 is a good day rate for a average contract programmer outside London.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  Yup. Living in Poland, I contracted for an US firm, my rate was actually $26/hour. Which was a 3x step up from my previous salary in a local company, and way above average in terms of general salaries in my country.
machiaweliczny 6y ago
In Poland consulting agencies are charging 50-100$ and paying 50-150PLN (1/4) to devs.

kgwgk 6y ago

Software developers in Western Europe often earn less than twenty-five dollars an hour. I wonder where that "as little as twenty-five dollars an hour" comes from.

flurben 6y ago
It was from an interview in New Yorker magazine, so it probably comes from a comparison of US to non-US labor rates. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_nat.htm Median hourly rate in the US ranges about $41/hr for 'Computer Programmers' to $70/hr for 'Computer and IS Managers.' In a state like New York the rates would be even higher, perhaps much higher.