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You need mainly velocity and acceleration. Unless you have a powerful ebike, most bikers accelerate 5x slower than usual car, even slower than scooters, and max

You need mainly velocity and acceleration. Unless you have a powerful ebike, most bikers accelerate 5x slower than usual car, even slower than scooters, and max speed around 25-30kmh on flat road. So they become obstacle that is often difficult to avoid safely in the car. There are +-2 countries that I've seen implement bikes seriously - Netherlands and Denmark. Both have more bikes than residents AFAIK. The magic is to have dedicated bike lanes that nobody else uses. You only slow down/stop on intersections with car roads or pedestrian paths, otherwise its all for you, wide enough to overtake slower biker.

NicoJuicy 6y ago
+ Belgium
anonymou2 6y ago
So are you saying that when a driver of car encounters slower traffic they collide with it? I don't think that's the case. In fact I've been driving my bike daily to work for 13 years, and never been hit from behind by a car. I've had a few close calls and they've always been on intersections with cars coming from the front turning left or from the sides. So velocity and acceleration are not important when sharing the road. Vehicles of different kinds have always shared the road without any problem. If you encounter a vehicle slower than you, you just need to slow down, adapt your speed and pass if safely to do so. It's that easy. By the way, those countries already had cyclists before they kicked them off the roads. Do they have more now or less? Also how do cyclists interact with other cyclists? don't they have to follow any rules either? don't they need any skills?
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- dvdkhlng 6y ago
  From my experience, as a cyclist speed and acceleration helps with avoiding car-related danger. If you're fast enough, cars won't needlessly overtake you (in rush hour, most car traffic may not exeed 30 km/h for example due to roads being packed too full, that's easy to match for a trained cyclist). Also at intersections, being really quick at acceleration allows you to get out of the danger zone of cars crossing your path before there's a conflict. Think about right-turning trucks starting after a red traffic light. I think fitness (and maybe reaction time) is some reason why severe cycling accidents seem to happen to older cyclist at a higher rate. In Berlin out of 15 cycling deaths this year, more than half of them are age 60 and higher [1], 3 are beyond 80 years of age. [1] https://adfc-berlin.de/radverkehr/sicherheit/information-und-analyse/145-unfallorte/782-getoetete-radfahrende-2020.html https://adfc-berlin.de/radverkehr/sicherheit/information-und...
tokamak-teapot 6y ago
It’s absolutely untrue to say that cyclists are ‘difficult to avoid safely’. Every time I drive I encounter cyclists. Sometimes I have to drive more slowly than I might want to for a short time, while I’m waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake. Not once, ever, have I found it difficult to avoid the cyclist safely. Anyone who finds this difficult would not be fit to operate a motor vehicle.

NicoJuicy 6y ago

+ Belgium

anonymou2 6y ago

So are you saying that when a driver of car encounters slower traffic they collide with it? I don't think that's the case. In fact I've been driving my bike daily to work for 13 years, and never been hit from behind by a car. I've had a few close calls and they've always been on intersections with cars coming from the front turning left or from the sides. So velocity and acceleration are not important when sharing the road. Vehicles of different kinds have always shared the road without any problem. If you encounter a vehicle slower than you, you just need to slow down, adapt your speed and pass if safely to do so. It's that easy. By the way, those countries already had cyclists before they kicked them off the roads. Do they have more now or less? Also how do cyclists interact with other cyclists? don't they have to follow any rules either? don't they need any skills?

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dvdkhlng 6y ago
From my experience, as a cyclist speed and acceleration helps with avoiding car-related danger. If you're fast enough, cars won't needlessly overtake you (in rush hour, most car traffic may not exeed 30 km/h for example due to roads being packed too full, that's easy to match for a trained cyclist). Also at intersections, being really quick at acceleration allows you to get out of the danger zone of cars crossing your path before there's a conflict. Think about right-turning trucks starting after a red traffic light. I think fitness (and maybe reaction time) is some reason why severe cycling accidents seem to happen to older cyclist at a higher rate. In Berlin out of 15 cycling deaths this year, more than half of them are age 60 and higher [1], 3 are beyond 80 years of age. [1] https://adfc-berlin.de/radverkehr/sicherheit/information-und-analyse/145-unfallorte/782-getoetete-radfahrende-2020.html https://adfc-berlin.de/radverkehr/sicherheit/information-und...

tokamak-teapot 6y ago

It’s absolutely untrue to say that cyclists are ‘difficult to avoid safely’. Every time I drive I encounter cyclists. Sometimes I have to drive more slowly than I might want to for a short time, while I’m waiting for a safe opportunity to overtake. Not once, ever, have I found it difficult to avoid the cyclist safely. Anyone who finds this difficult would not be fit to operate a motor vehicle.