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Wow thank you for sharing. This is such beautiful prose and such a wonderful articulation of my beliefs. I fully identify with every word of this. I will be sha

Wow thank you for sharing. This is such beautiful prose and such a wonderful articulation of my beliefs. I fully identify with every word of this. I will be sharing this with a bunch of my like-minded friends.

mistermann 6y ago
He has quite a few other articles, perhaps not quite as good as that one but the same style - I'd say this guy has a very special skill that you don't see too often. https://simonsarris.substack.com/archive https://simonsarris.substack.com/archive I'd go so far as to say that the ideas in that post, and the manner in which they're presented, is getting pretty deep into subversive propaganda territory, but in a good way.
- googthrowaway42 6y ago
  Absolutely, this is basically neo-reactionary kind of stuff but from a deep metaphysical perspective. Another author worth checking out is Curtis Yarvin who is much more focused on material/realpolitik concerns. This is a good one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQO3VbJsMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQO3VbJsMw He also has a substack but the focus is much more narrow than what you get in these interviews. It's intended to be a modern version of The Prince: https://graymirror.substack.com/ https://graymirror.substack.com/
  - mistermann 6y ago
    I've done almost no reading on him, even though I've known of his significance for years, maybe I should. Do you have an opinion on Peter Thiel? Like, in the big scheme / long run...do you think he's good, evil, chaotic neutral, other? Googling, this came up: https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein Leaving aside the hyperbole, propaganda and delusion, there's some interesting tidbits... > Yarvin told Yiannopoulos that he had been “coaching Thiel.” > “Peter needs guidance on politics for sure,” Yiannopoulos responded. > “Less than you might think!” Yarvin wrote back. “I watched the election at his house, I think my hangover lasted into Tuesday. He’s fully enlightened, just plays it very carefully.” If true, that's quite interesting. > Yarvin believes there is no such thing as democracy—and Thiel has said as much, as well. Yarvin’s stunted political imagination prizes strict hierarchies—despotisms, monarchies, and experimental new feudalism via a “patchwork” of corporate fiefdoms managed by absolute dictators who might be appointed by a vote of property-owning “shareholders.” Unlike some advocates of Silicon Valley secessionism, Yarvin has never been shy in acknowledging that this amounts to a revolution and would require the forcible overthrow of the established order. He advised, for instance, that the new dictator of California should throw the old elected governor in Alcatraz, and then briskly proceed to pack the government with Google guys. > It’s worth considering that Thiel is not just another wealthy Trump adviser. He is a contractor for the Central Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon, and the Homeland Security Department, through his Big Data surveillance startup, Palantir. (The name is a Lord of the Rings reference; like many big race theorists in Silicon Valley Thiel and Yarvin adore J.R.R. Tolkien, which can be read as an epic glorification of a winner-take-all race war. Tolkien’s trilogy also conveniently doubles as a regressive fantasy universe where heroic Nordic souls either gain power by force or come into it via birthright—in both scenarios, a lineage that leaves them untroubled by the irksome niceties of democratic procedure.) This seems like quite a counter-intuitive situation - very strange bedfellows. I'd think they'd all be aware of it, and also aware that each other are aware of it. And then there's also Nick Land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land I think it's worth watching if the media machine ever goes after these relatively obscure people.
    - googthrowaway42 6y ago
      I really enjoy listening to Thiel. I think I've watched every interview with him I could find on Youtube. He's actually very deep into the metaphysical stuff, in particular he has a deep understanding of Christianity. This is my favorite interview with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_00POR-Po https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_00POR-Po Yarvin is a much deeper thinker than what those quotes would suggest. He's very much focused on the nature of power and he's extremely well-read. Every time I watch a new interview with him I end up buying another book or two. I recently finished The Machiavellians by James Burnham which is the book he always recommends people read. Yarvin actually invented the terms "redpill" and "bluepill" interestingly. As far as Nick Land goes, I will check him out. I see that he tends to be associated with Yarvin so I am surprised I've never heard of him. I tend to view "scientific racism" (and when I use that term I assign no moral weight to it) as a trap. On a purely rational level I can understand the logic behind the ideas but when you introduce the irrational dimension (e.g. the Imago Dei for starters) it becomes a lot harder to defend. Thomas Sowell actually does a good job delegitimizing many aspects of that approach on a rational level in his studies that compare wealth and income within racial groups but across cultures (e.g. Chinese within China vs Chinese in Southeast Asia or even American blacks in the 1940s vs American blacks today). Nassim Taleb has argued very forcefully that the idea of IQ is complete pseudoscience. But yes, any person that the Cathedral (a term from Yarvin) goes after is someone at least worth looking into.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        I'm reading this now, I think it's from a book he's working on now: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/4-principles-of-any-next-regime https://graymirror.substack.com/p/4-principles-of-any-next-r... Compared to what passes for intellectualism nowadays (especially from those running the show, or at least advertised as doing so), this guy seems like he's not just on a different level, but from a completely different dimension. I don't agree with the final conclusions he draws, or at least my take on what they are, but he sure understands how the current system works. Putting these ideas into a form the average Joe could understand (and be persuaded by) might be a tall order though, I imagine he's considered that but I'll have to hunt around to see if he's ever written anything on it.

mistermann 6y ago

He has quite a few other articles, perhaps not quite as good as that one but the same style - I'd say this guy has a very special skill that you don't see too often. https://simonsarris.substack.com/archive https://simonsarris.substack.com/archive I'd go so far as to say that the ideas in that post, and the manner in which they're presented, is getting pretty deep into subversive propaganda territory, but in a good way.

googthrowaway42 6y ago
Absolutely, this is basically neo-reactionary kind of stuff but from a deep metaphysical perspective. Another author worth checking out is Curtis Yarvin who is much more focused on material/realpolitik concerns. This is a good one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQO3VbJsMw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRQO3VbJsMw He also has a substack but the focus is much more narrow than what you get in these interviews. It's intended to be a modern version of The Prince: https://graymirror.substack.com/ https://graymirror.substack.com/
- mistermann 6y ago
  I've done almost no reading on him, even though I've known of his significance for years, maybe I should. Do you have an opinion on Peter Thiel? Like, in the big scheme / long run...do you think he's good, evil, chaotic neutral, other? Googling, this came up: https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein Leaving aside the hyperbole, propaganda and delusion, there's some interesting tidbits... > Yarvin told Yiannopoulos that he had been “coaching Thiel.” > “Peter needs guidance on politics for sure,” Yiannopoulos responded. > “Less than you might think!” Yarvin wrote back. “I watched the election at his house, I think my hangover lasted into Tuesday. He’s fully enlightened, just plays it very carefully.” If true, that's quite interesting. > Yarvin believes there is no such thing as democracy—and Thiel has said as much, as well. Yarvin’s stunted political imagination prizes strict hierarchies—despotisms, monarchies, and experimental new feudalism via a “patchwork” of corporate fiefdoms managed by absolute dictators who might be appointed by a vote of property-owning “shareholders.” Unlike some advocates of Silicon Valley secessionism, Yarvin has never been shy in acknowledging that this amounts to a revolution and would require the forcible overthrow of the established order. He advised, for instance, that the new dictator of California should throw the old elected governor in Alcatraz, and then briskly proceed to pack the government with Google guys. > It’s worth considering that Thiel is not just another wealthy Trump adviser. He is a contractor for the Central Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon, and the Homeland Security Department, through his Big Data surveillance startup, Palantir. (The name is a Lord of the Rings reference; like many big race theorists in Silicon Valley Thiel and Yarvin adore J.R.R. Tolkien, which can be read as an epic glorification of a winner-take-all race war. Tolkien’s trilogy also conveniently doubles as a regressive fantasy universe where heroic Nordic souls either gain power by force or come into it via birthright—in both scenarios, a lineage that leaves them untroubled by the irksome niceties of democratic procedure.) This seems like quite a counter-intuitive situation - very strange bedfellows. I'd think they'd all be aware of it, and also aware that each other are aware of it. And then there's also Nick Land. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Land I think it's worth watching if the media machine ever goes after these relatively obscure people.
  - googthrowaway42 6y ago
    I really enjoy listening to Thiel. I think I've watched every interview with him I could find on Youtube. He's actually very deep into the metaphysical stuff, in particular he has a deep understanding of Christianity. This is my favorite interview with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_00POR-Po https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_00POR-Po Yarvin is a much deeper thinker than what those quotes would suggest. He's very much focused on the nature of power and he's extremely well-read. Every time I watch a new interview with him I end up buying another book or two. I recently finished The Machiavellians by James Burnham which is the book he always recommends people read. Yarvin actually invented the terms "redpill" and "bluepill" interestingly. As far as Nick Land goes, I will check him out. I see that he tends to be associated with Yarvin so I am surprised I've never heard of him. I tend to view "scientific racism" (and when I use that term I assign no moral weight to it) as a trap. On a purely rational level I can understand the logic behind the ideas but when you introduce the irrational dimension (e.g. the Imago Dei for starters) it becomes a lot harder to defend. Thomas Sowell actually does a good job delegitimizing many aspects of that approach on a rational level in his studies that compare wealth and income within racial groups but across cultures (e.g. Chinese within China vs Chinese in Southeast Asia or even American blacks in the 1940s vs American blacks today). Nassim Taleb has argued very forcefully that the idea of IQ is complete pseudoscience. But yes, any person that the Cathedral (a term from Yarvin) goes after is someone at least worth looking into.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      I'm reading this now, I think it's from a book he's working on now: https://graymirror.substack.com/p/4-principles-of-any-next-regime https://graymirror.substack.com/p/4-principles-of-any-next-r... Compared to what passes for intellectualism nowadays (especially from those running the show, or at least advertised as doing so), this guy seems like he's not just on a different level, but from a completely different dimension. I don't agree with the final conclusions he draws, or at least my take on what they are, but he sure understands how the current system works. Putting these ideas into a form the average Joe could understand (and be persuaded by) might be a tall order though, I imagine he's considered that but I'll have to hunt around to see if he's ever written anything on it.