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A situation where 10 white nationalist militia members kidnap the mayor with stock bumped ar-15s. Or when someone blows the window out of a Casino hotel and la

A situation where 10 white nationalist militia members kidnap the mayor with stock bumped ar-15s. Or when someone blows the window out of a Casino hotel and lays fire to a festival. Or when the kids go nuts and shoot up the school. I don’t know if you’ve heard, but America has a unique mass shooting issue. Running alongside an APC would at least give you cover in the Vegas shooting. I guess my point is, you cannot demilitarize one side one when the other side already militarized, that ship has sailed in America. Edit: I’m getting downvoted on this, but I’d like to hear some counter points for these exact scenarios that happened (or almost happened) in the last 4 years.

Broken_Hippo 6y ago
99.9% of policing is non-violent, simple things. Just because you can come up with a few exceptions doesn't prove most cops need such things: It more proves that cops might need a special force that can come in if things get bad. I'm not convinced any situation you bring up would have been helped by the immediate availability of gear. Some of these could be better with better training: Some things could be somewhat prevented if we did things like make sure there was mental and physical health care, a safety net so folks didn't get so far down, and had reasonable gun laws. oh, and not have cops posing as oppressors with military equipment. We are the picture of oppression right now, and if it were happening in one of "America's Enemies", we'd bemoan them for not being free enough or use it as the ills of socialism or communism.
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  The gear is not for 99% of situations. Neither are guns. But we give every single one of them a gun, don’t we? You get the gear so you can handle all possible scenarios. That isn’t the issue. The issue is something else. We can debate the real issue or muddle the pool and avert it. “Dressing up as oppressors” - you know, narrative building has no bounds. This is a new one. That’s all subjective, I don’t see it as oppression theater as you do.
  - Broken_Hippo 6y ago
    You don't actually have to have all police have all the things. You just need some specially trained forces to have training for the 1% of situations. I don't think cops should carry guns on their person as a rule, either: I think they should stay locked in their cars, with paperwork to be filled out every time they unlock that lock. I think cops should be respectful of the public when possible, even if the public isn't. We expect this out of retail employees, after all. There should be thought behind every single time a cop takes out a gun, before they grab it.
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Broken_Hippo 6y ago

99.9% of policing is non-violent, simple things. Just because you can come up with a few exceptions doesn't prove most cops need such things: It more proves that cops might need a special force that can come in if things get bad. I'm not convinced any situation you bring up would have been helped by the immediate availability of gear. Some of these could be better with better training: Some things could be somewhat prevented if we did things like make sure there was mental and physical health care, a safety net so folks didn't get so far down, and had reasonable gun laws. oh, and not have cops posing as oppressors with military equipment. We are the picture of oppression right now, and if it were happening in one of "America's Enemies", we'd bemoan them for not being free enough or use it as the ills of socialism or communism.

runawaybottle 6y ago
The gear is not for 99% of situations. Neither are guns. But we give every single one of them a gun, don’t we? You get the gear so you can handle all possible scenarios. That isn’t the issue. The issue is something else. We can debate the real issue or muddle the pool and avert it. “Dressing up as oppressors” - you know, narrative building has no bounds. This is a new one. That’s all subjective, I don’t see it as oppression theater as you do.
- Broken_Hippo 6y ago
  You don't actually have to have all police have all the things. You just need some specially trained forces to have training for the 1% of situations. I don't think cops should carry guns on their person as a rule, either: I think they should stay locked in their cars, with paperwork to be filled out every time they unlock that lock. I think cops should be respectful of the public when possible, even if the public isn't. We expect this out of retail employees, after all. There should be thought behind every single time a cop takes out a gun, before they grab it.
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