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Yes, literally burned down..with fire (and looting, and making it unsafe for business). There are parts of this country that are not coming back economically fo

Yes, literally burned down..with fire (and looting, and making it unsafe for business). There are parts of this country that are not coming back economically for a decade after what happened. Did you have your eyed closed through the whole ordeal? I lived in an area affected, its a real thing that actually happened I shouldn't have to explain this. And if a right wing group had done 1/10th of what these groups did we would never hear the end of it. But we get radio silence instead because of institutional politics.

emerged 6y ago
It seems genuinely hard to imagine how anyone can continue to excuse or deny far-left violence in this country. The scale is quite large with direct links to media provocation.
- tylerhou 6y ago
  I don't think anyone on HN is trying to deny or excuse far-left violence. But I do think that they disagree with the way other commenters on this thread have portrayed it. For example, let's examine the claims made by the person you replied to: > There are parts of this country that are not coming back economically for a decade after what happened. Is this actually true? Can you find a citation saying that these businesses will not "come back" for a decade? Given that recessions, natural disasters, and pandemics cause even more damage, and businesses are able to begin operation usually within a year, I find it hard to believe this specific claim. For example, Axios estimates that damages caused by rioting could be around $2 billion (from the Insurance Information Institute) [1]. Axios also notes that natural disasters such as hurricanes can cause more than $3-$5 billion in damages. Hurricanes also cause their damages in a localized area (as opposed to nationwide rioting), so I would assume that it would be even harder for businesses to recover from hurricane damages. But my impression is that businesses in areas hit by hurricanes tend to recover within a year or two. > And if a right wing group had done 1/10th of what these groups did we would never hear the end of it. Wikipedia says that right wing extremists have killed 114 people since 2001 and injured dozens more [2]. It also claims that one person was killed in a far-left attack. If we consider the monetary value of a human life to be $10 million [3] (let's ignore that assigning monetary values to human lives may be problematic), we find the damages caused by right-wing extremists in the last twenty years in deaths alone has been $1.14 billion. I sincerely doubt that left wing rioting and looting has caused more than $11.4 billion in damages since 2001, so the right wing has done more than a 1/10 of what "the left" has done -- but we aren't "never hearing the end of it." Again, nobody here is saying there is no violence caused by the left. But I am criticizing how other commenters have exaggerated that violence, while ignoring the violence caused by the other side. [1] https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Post-2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Post-2001 [3] https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the-dollar-value-of-human-life https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agen...

emerged 6y ago

It seems genuinely hard to imagine how anyone can continue to excuse or deny far-left violence in this country. The scale is quite large with direct links to media provocation.

tylerhou 6y ago
I don't think anyone on HN is trying to deny or excuse far-left violence. But I do think that they disagree with the way other commenters on this thread have portrayed it. For example, let's examine the claims made by the person you replied to: > There are parts of this country that are not coming back economically for a decade after what happened. Is this actually true? Can you find a citation saying that these businesses will not "come back" for a decade? Given that recessions, natural disasters, and pandemics cause even more damage, and businesses are able to begin operation usually within a year, I find it hard to believe this specific claim. For example, Axios estimates that damages caused by rioting could be around $2 billion (from the Insurance Information Institute) [1]. Axios also notes that natural disasters such as hurricanes can cause more than $3-$5 billion in damages. Hurricanes also cause their damages in a localized area (as opposed to nationwide rioting), so I would assume that it would be even harder for businesses to recover from hurricane damages. But my impression is that businesses in areas hit by hurricanes tend to recover within a year or two. > And if a right wing group had done 1/10th of what these groups did we would never hear the end of it. Wikipedia says that right wing extremists have killed 114 people since 2001 and injured dozens more [2]. It also claims that one person was killed in a far-left attack. If we consider the monetary value of a human life to be $10 million [3] (let's ignore that assigning monetary values to human lives may be problematic), we find the damages caused by right-wing extremists in the last twenty years in deaths alone has been $1.14 billion. I sincerely doubt that left wing rioting and looting has caused more than $11.4 billion in damages since 2001, so the right wing has done more than a 1/10 of what "the left" has done -- but we aren't "never hearing the end of it." Again, nobody here is saying there is no violence caused by the left. But I am criticizing how other commenters have exaggerated that violence, while ignoring the violence caused by the other side. [1] https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a4... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Post-2001 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#Post-2001 [3] https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agencies-determine-the-dollar-value-of-human-life https://www.npr.org/2020/04/23/843310123/how-government-agen...