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> The internet is just mean, to everyone. I feel like with the negative karma on all this ladies unpleasant comments she really didn't get it that bad. I don't

by bem94 6y ago

> The internet is just mean, to everyone. I feel like with the negative karma on all this ladies unpleasant comments she really didn't get it that bad. I don't think gatekeeping bad experiences on the internet is really helpful here.

Kednicma 6y ago
I think that ignoring abuse oriented towards men is a common blind spot in our society. My first upload to Youtube received a comment, "You're nothing but a big fat Jew!" I think that this is quite representative of the hate of the Internet at large. This sort of blindness towards abuse towards men is not just here on the Internets. In real life, progress made against ritual genital mutilation is happening for women but not for men.
- bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
  So is using any semi-plausible claim to victimhood as a means of acquiring clout / wealth / power in a moral system with a bias toward unquestioningly exalting victimhood.
- rainonmoon 6y ago
  Men get called names. Women get people finding their addresses and visiting their houses, their online accounts enumerated, their profiles stalked etc. It wasn't that long ago that there was a Reddit bot which searched posters' submissions for GoneWild posts, which was invoked whenever a commenter revealed themselves as a woman. I'm sorry people were rude to you, but the degree and kind of abuse women face online is so disproportionate that these examples (particularly in a thread full of similar) only serve to diminish and distract from that fact.
  - nitwit005 6y ago
    The idea that the worst men face is being called names is a bit rediculous. The worst is having the swat team called to your home repeatedly and the phone ringing with death threats. It may be true that women get harassed more frequently, but if you really get targeted, your gender doesn't seem to matter all that much.
    - rainonmoon 6y ago
      It's demonstrably false that when someone is targeted for harassment, their gender doesn't matter "that much." Emily Kager's post highlights how gendered the harassment is. Here's one citation stating "one in four serious and violent threats directed at women were related to their gender, compared with one in 16 for men." [0] Here's an analysis of comments towards female vs male athletes finding that abuse towards female athletes is three times more likely. [1] Here's another finding that half the women surveyed categorised their abuse as misogynistic. [2] To clarify, I'm not saying women are "harassed more frequently." That seems not to be the case, and yet here's a study that "showed that while male celebrities, female journalists, and male politicians face the highest likelihood of online hostility, women are significantly more likely to be targeted specifically because of their gender, and men are overwhelmingly those doing the harassing." [3] The types of online harassment are multiple and varied; we could equally single racist, fatphobic, and, as the earlier comment mentioned, antisemitic abuse out as well. We can even talk about the abuse faced by men -- I've been active online for 30 years, I'm a male, I'm not blind to it -- but that is not what this post is about. It's about the specifically gendered nature of abuse faced by women online. So I reiterate my point that "well, actually"-ing about other kinds of abuse only distracts from the salient topic and undermines what women like Kager are trying to highlight. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/06/higher-proportion-of-men-than-women-report-online-abuse-in-survey https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/06/higher-proport... [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-24/women-receive-three-times-the-abuse-on-social-media-study-says/11039118 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-24/women-receive-three-t... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2018/03/online-violence-against-women-chapter-3/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2018/03/online-vi... [3] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/10/the-unsafety-net-how-social-media-turned-against-women/381261/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/10/the-u...
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by bem94 6y ago

Kednicma 6y ago

I think that ignoring abuse oriented towards men is a common blind spot in our society. My first upload to Youtube received a comment, "You're nothing but a big fat Jew!" I think that this is quite representative of the hate of the Internet at large. This sort of blindness towards abuse towards men is not just here on the Internets. In real life, progress made against ritual genital mutilation is happening for women but not for men.

bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
So is using any semi-plausible claim to victimhood as a means of acquiring clout / wealth / power in a moral system with a bias toward unquestioningly exalting victimhood.
rainonmoon 6y ago
Men get called names. Women get people finding their addresses and visiting their houses, their online accounts enumerated, their profiles stalked etc. It wasn't that long ago that there was a Reddit bot which searched posters' submissions for GoneWild posts, which was invoked whenever a commenter revealed themselves as a woman. I'm sorry people were rude to you, but the degree and kind of abuse women face online is so disproportionate that these examples (particularly in a thread full of similar) only serve to diminish and distract from that fact.
- nitwit005 6y ago
  The idea that the worst men face is being called names is a bit rediculous. The worst is having the swat team called to your home repeatedly and the phone ringing with death threats. It may be true that women get harassed more frequently, but if you really get targeted, your gender doesn't seem to matter all that much.
  - rainonmoon 6y ago
    It's demonstrably false that when someone is targeted for harassment, their gender doesn't matter "that much." Emily Kager's post highlights how gendered the harassment is. Here's one citation stating "one in four serious and violent threats directed at women were related to their gender, compared with one in 16 for men." [0] Here's an analysis of comments towards female vs male athletes finding that abuse towards female athletes is three times more likely. [1] Here's another finding that half the women surveyed categorised their abuse as misogynistic. [2] To clarify, I'm not saying women are "harassed more frequently." That seems not to be the case, and yet here's a study that "showed that while male celebrities, female journalists, and male politicians face the highest likelihood of online hostility, women are significantly more likely to be targeted specifically because of their gender, and men are overwhelmingly those doing the harassing." [3] The types of online harassment are multiple and varied; we could equally single racist, fatphobic, and, as the earlier comment mentioned, antisemitic abuse out as well. We can even talk about the abuse faced by men -- I've been active online for 30 years, I'm a male, I'm not blind to it -- but that is not what this post is about. It's about the specifically gendered nature of abuse faced by women online. So I reiterate my point that "well, actually"-ing about other kinds of abuse only distracts from the salient topic and undermines what women like Kager are trying to highlight. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/06/higher-proportion-of-men-than-women-report-online-abuse-in-survey https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/sep/06/higher-proport... [1] https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-24/women-receive-three-times-the-abuse-on-social-media-study-says/11039118 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-24/women-receive-three-t... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2018/03/online-violence-against-women-chapter-3/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2018/03/online-vi... [3] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/10/the-unsafety-net-how-social-media-turned-against-women/381261/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/10/the-u...
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