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>Interactions (any observed results) are side effects of deterministic properties That's my understanding as well. I'm trying find utility in the 1st comment,

• Barrin92 6y ago
  >I'm trying find utility in the 1st comment, but I don't see the direction of causality - e.g. emergence of culture from physics (bottom up) - is relevant in determining whether something non-deterministic. physical determinism isn't relevant for the concept of free will, that is the point of the comment. Emergent properties of the system by definition do not exist at the reductionist level of physics, but that does not render them "not real". It's simply a category error to say that free will does not exist because constituent parts of a system are deterministic, in the same sense as saying that consciousness does not exist because you cannot find it at the level of a neuron, or that the car cannot drive because none of its parts can. Also on the issue of causality which is important, complex systems don't just exhibit bottom-up causality, but the reverse, the system can only made sense of if one takes into account the downward causality from the macro to the micro level which explains why the system functions the way it does and that is what 'will' is in the context of a human to begin with. It's because the system cannot be reduced to bottom-up processes that it is complex, and it is for that reason that concepts such as 'freedom', autonomy', 'intentionality' and so on make sense.