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In my opinion your defense of US is completely unacceptable and wrong but i don't want to start a discussion about that: i want you to consider that in general,
by andretti1977 6y ago
In my opinion your defense of US is completely unacceptable and wrong but i don't want to start a discussion about that: i want you to consider that in general, it's better to spend energy, focus, money and any other constructive effort in creating something that helps people instead of something that kills people, even if you consider those people bad ones.
It's better to spend efforts in education and culture instead of spending more on police defense. It's better to spend efforts in negotiations and ways to sign peace treaties instead of making wars. It's better to spend efforts in making chirurgical items instead of spending efforts in making weapons.
- gattis 6y agoyou kinda need some people to be making missiles in order for everyone else to have the luxury of being able to spend their efforts on education and culture. do you know of any countries without missiles? exactly.
- the-dude 6y agoWhy is that? Has the US ever been seriously threatened on its terrority? These missiles are there to protect the economic hegemony.
- hnracer 6y agoYes, during the Pearl Harbor attack. This was 75-80 years ago, on the time scale of civilizations, quite a short time. Not to mention that the US is within range of the ICBMs of various authoritarian regimes.
- ardit33 6y agooi... WW2 is not that far away.... japan attacked us soil. Also, WW1, the US stayed away as much as it could, the eventually had to intervene as its ships started sinking The point of having lots of weapons, is not to have to use them, but be credible threat to not have the other side dare to use their weapons on you. Russia/Putin and China are developing hypersonic nuclear missiles. What is the US going to do about it? Sing, kumbaya and pray for world peace.... ?
- cmrdporcupine 6y agoI mean, arguably Hawaii at the time was US soil in a looser sense of the word. It only became a state in 1959. It had/has a significant Japanese population, and presumably Japan saw invasion there (wrongly, for sure) as some kind of anti-colonial action.
- iso947 6y agoWasn’t Hawaii And Alaska independent from the US until after ww2? Not defending isolationism, but wasn’t the last invasion of the US around 1812?
- dragonwriter 6y ago> Wasn’t Hawaii And Alaska independent from the US until after ww2? No, both were US territories. They weren't states, but they weren't independent, either.
- hnracer 6y agoIf everyone that is good had this mindset then the world would be ruled by the most vicious and authoritarian. The axis powers would've won WW2. Clearly some people need to work on weapons and history has shown that it can deliver net good in the world (allies victory in WW2 for example). A dose of pragmatism is sorely needed.
- WalterBright 6y agoHitler started WW2 because he thought the other countries wouldn't fight or were incapable of fighting. His comment about invading the Soviet Union: "We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down." The way to make peace is to make sure it is not worthwhile for someone else to attack you.
- watwut 6y agoHitler started that way cause he wanted more space for Germans and also world domination. Eventually, Hitler happened to lose that war with even negotiation being impossible. Generally, Hitler said something is pretty bad argument for anything, as that man said a lot of bullshit in his life.
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- andretti1977 6y agoHitler success among germans is due to the high burden WWI winners imposed on germany. Other countries may have relieved pressure on germany and maybe Hitler may have been stopped before he became something among germans. Don't give people a reason to litigate and they won't fight. Try to consider that countries where there is a common level of wealth and welfare, have lower rates of criminality (i.e. Norway). Have you ever thought how much money has been spent in "defense" (ironically any country had and has a "defense" ministry, even those countries who attack) during human history? Can you imagine what could have been done if that money had gone into peace research? I know that when a war has been started then you have to fight but you can try to prevent it. So instead of working on missiles control system it's better if you work on diplomacy and software that provides wealth and knowledge to the people. Remember: this world could be heaven if we want it to be. Do what you want to do to make it heaven or hell.
- WalterBright 6y ago> you have to fight but you can try to prevent it It's prevented if you're stronger than the other guy. I can't think of a single example in history of a country starting a war against a much more powerful opponent that was willing to use that power. Imperial Japan attacked Pearl Harbor because they thought the US would be unwilling to fight a Pacific war with them. Hitler declared war on the US believing the US wouldn't fight. The Confederacy didn't believe the Union would fight, or if they did, was a match for the Confederacy. > Do what you want to do to make it heaven or hell. The US is a heaven by pretty much any historical measure. Military spending is 3-4% of GDP, a small price to pay to prevent war.
- ardit33 6y agoAs i have cousins that are survivor of genocide and ethnic cleansing, which the US prevented in the late 90s by the use of such weapons, i completely disagree with you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War But to each their own.
- zingplex 6y agoAmerican weapons are currently being supplied to a genocidal war effort in Yemen and supplying weapons to Turkey which is continuing their genocidal efforts against the Kurdish people. I'm trying to focus on active genocide campaigns that the US is supporting with weapons, not the two genocides that were instigated in part by Facebook. Let me know if I'm missing any.
- mensetmanusman 6y agoThis is true, I hope you support the U.S. withdrawal from NATO as well.