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> the Moonlander, which is a step closer to the Kinesis in shape Just took a look, doesn't really look much difference. I mean the 3d curvature of the keys, yo

> the Moonlander, which is a step closer to the Kinesis in shape Just took a look, doesn't really look much difference. I mean the 3d curvature of the keys, your hand is kinda in a semi circular channel. I just find it comfortable, especially to reach the furthest rows of keys from the home row. Its not a huge deal, just something I like about the Kinesis. I also use the Kinesis foot pedals -- does something similar exist for the Ergodox? I didn't see one at my quick look, but I also didn't look very hard.

ZeroGravitas 6y ago
The Moonlander lets you angle the thumb cluster seprately, where the ergodox ez is a single flat plane. For the bowl shape, you'd need to look at something like the Dactyl Manuform I mentioned. Many split keyboards transfer keypresses from one side to the other via simple audio cables, I believe footpedals could be spliced in there too, but that's just speculation.
- nine_k 6y ago
  Most often the audio cable carries serial port signals (not proper RS232 afaict but logically a com port). Splicing in a pedal should be doable, as long as you don't press it simultaneously with a key on the "remote" part of the split keyboard.
  - kps 6y ago
    I²C, at least originally (I haven't kept up with all the later variations), so you could put multiple devices on the bus, assuming firmware support.
- dkersten 6y ago
  The Dactyl looks great, thanks. Yeah, I think hacking a foot pedal in wouldn't be the toughest job.
durandal1 6y ago
Believe it or not, I was an Advantage II user but switched to Moonlander because I find it easier to type on. For some reason my pinkies always felt weak typing on the Kinesis.
autocorr 6y ago
You'd have to mod the case and do some wiring, but since the ErgoDox is just a Teensy running QMK you could in principle hack it. I think all you would have to do is find an unused pin on the uC and then wire that pin to the foot pedal and recompile the firmware. But the only real advantage to the ErgoDox over the Kinesis in my opinion is that it runs QMK: the key-wells are more ergonomic and the thumb cluster is better positioned because of the slight vertical height difference. And if you get a Stapelberg converter[1] PCB made, it doesn't look that bad to add. [1] https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2013-03-21-kinesis_custom_controller/ https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2013-03-21-kinesis_custo...
titanomachy 6y ago
What do you use the foot pedal for? I had a hard time understanding what it's useful for.

ZeroGravitas 6y ago

The Moonlander lets you angle the thumb cluster seprately, where the ergodox ez is a single flat plane. For the bowl shape, you'd need to look at something like the Dactyl Manuform I mentioned. Many split keyboards transfer keypresses from one side to the other via simple audio cables, I believe footpedals could be spliced in there too, but that's just speculation.

nine_k 6y ago
Most often the audio cable carries serial port signals (not proper RS232 afaict but logically a com port). Splicing in a pedal should be doable, as long as you don't press it simultaneously with a key on the "remote" part of the split keyboard.
- kps 6y ago
  I²C, at least originally (I haven't kept up with all the later variations), so you could put multiple devices on the bus, assuming firmware support.
dkersten 6y ago
The Dactyl looks great, thanks. Yeah, I think hacking a foot pedal in wouldn't be the toughest job.

durandal1 6y ago

Believe it or not, I was an Advantage II user but switched to Moonlander because I find it easier to type on. For some reason my pinkies always felt weak typing on the Kinesis.

autocorr 6y ago

You'd have to mod the case and do some wiring, but since the ErgoDox is just a Teensy running QMK you could in principle hack it. I think all you would have to do is find an unused pin on the uC and then wire that pin to the foot pedal and recompile the firmware. But the only real advantage to the ErgoDox over the Kinesis in my opinion is that it runs QMK: the key-wells are more ergonomic and the thumb cluster is better positioned because of the slight vertical height difference. And if you get a Stapelberg converter[1] PCB made, it doesn't look that bad to add. [1] https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2013-03-21-kinesis_custom_controller/ https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2013-03-21-kinesis_custo...

titanomachy 6y ago

What do you use the foot pedal for? I had a hard time understanding what it's useful for.