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Hold on... it’s not quite as clear-cut as the Apple-haters that joyously jumped in put it. These channels are not about a platform for freedom of speech and ra

by eecc 6y ago

Hold on... it’s not quite as clear-cut as the Apple-haters that joyously jumped in put it. These channels are not about a platform for freedom of speech and rallying for peaceful demonstrations. Nope. It’s about exposing PII of public officials; names and home addresses? Take pause to appreciate the possible consequences of this. What could possibly go wrong? Now I agree that Belarus officials are complicit or actively engaging in violations of personal freedom, violence and persecution. But calling out individuals with the not-so-subtle encouragement for personal confrontation and violent retribution is illegal and frowned upon in all democratic societies.

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throwaway4715 6y ago
"But it isn't nice to doxx the killers" is not the argument I was expecting.
Kelamir 6y ago
Quoting https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/the-only-way-to-stop-violence-why-protesters-are-unmasking-belarus-police https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/the-only-way-t... : “The only way to stop violence is to pull off the masks, in both the literal and metaphorical sense. An officer who is no longer anonymous will think twice before he grabs, beats or kidnaps someone,"
- eecc 6y ago
  That’s true, and I’m all for mandatory identification badges when doing crowd control, but you have to realize the context in which the identity is revealed: in a democratic country it’s meant as a mechanism to correct violent (hopefully) outliers. But unmasking violent agents of a violent state won’t do anything except provide the excuse to repress even harder... you’ll just end up with riot police firing live ammo (a bit like in the US, where police will always claim the victim appeared to reach for a weapon before they start hailing bullets.) It’s simple power game: if you challenge a bully that is much stronger than you, you will be crushed. If you really want to make a dent, you collect the evidence and plea for help from a stronger one. (EU, UN, ICJ...) Unless the objective is to provoke a violent reaction and use the bruises to mobilize help in sympathy (problem is who “gets to suffer the bruise”... you, or a random protestor caught in a retaliatory strike)
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > in a democratic country it’s meant as a mechanism to correct violent (hopefully) outliers. But unmasking violent agents of a violent state won’t do anything except provide the excuse to repress even harder... Knowing who breaks the law and applies violence to civil protesters will allow to have a fair trial later.
fsflover 6y ago
> It’s about exposing PII of public officials; names and home addresses? Take pause to appreciate the possible consequences of this. What could possibly go wrong? Why should official working for public money be anonymous? If they have the power to apply force to public, it will not end well (and this is what is happening).

by eecc 6y ago

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throwaway4715 6y ago

"But it isn't nice to doxx the killers" is not the argument I was expecting.

Kelamir 6y ago

Quoting https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/the-only-way-to-stop-violence-why-protesters-are-unmasking-belarus-police https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/17/the-only-way-t... : “The only way to stop violence is to pull off the masks, in both the literal and metaphorical sense. An officer who is no longer anonymous will think twice before he grabs, beats or kidnaps someone,"

eecc 6y ago
That’s true, and I’m all for mandatory identification badges when doing crowd control, but you have to realize the context in which the identity is revealed: in a democratic country it’s meant as a mechanism to correct violent (hopefully) outliers. But unmasking violent agents of a violent state won’t do anything except provide the excuse to repress even harder... you’ll just end up with riot police firing live ammo (a bit like in the US, where police will always claim the victim appeared to reach for a weapon before they start hailing bullets.) It’s simple power game: if you challenge a bully that is much stronger than you, you will be crushed. If you really want to make a dent, you collect the evidence and plea for help from a stronger one. (EU, UN, ICJ...) Unless the objective is to provoke a violent reaction and use the bruises to mobilize help in sympathy (problem is who “gets to suffer the bruise”... you, or a random protestor caught in a retaliatory strike)
- fsflover 6y ago
  > in a democratic country it’s meant as a mechanism to correct violent (hopefully) outliers. But unmasking violent agents of a violent state won’t do anything except provide the excuse to repress even harder... Knowing who breaks the law and applies violence to civil protesters will allow to have a fair trial later.

fsflover 6y ago

> It’s about exposing PII of public officials; names and home addresses? Take pause to appreciate the possible consequences of this. What could possibly go wrong? Why should official working for public money be anonymous? If they have the power to apply force to public, it will not end well (and this is what is happening).