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And what’s the problem? They are oppressors, voluntarily working for an oppressive system. Nobody forced them to beat up old women on the street - they chose to

And what’s the problem? They are oppressors, voluntarily working for an oppressive system. Nobody forced them to beat up old women on the street - they chose to do that. Given that there will be no legal consequences for their brutal acts, why should they not be targeted? Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice?

lightgreen 6y ago
The problem is that it is not for Apple to decide who are oppressors and who are freedom fighters. Their have simple rules: no doxxing. It is not black and white case. > Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice? Exactly because Apple is not in charge of justice, they apply these rules equally to everybody.
- madaxe_again 6y ago
  Interesting, so they don’t sell any hardware to the Belarusian government for use in surveillance, communications, and oppression? It sounds like their stance is to be amoral, with no purpose other than to enhance shareholder value, even if it comes at the cost of human suffering. Ah, that would be a corporation.
  - lightgreen 6y ago
    If they allowed this channel to continue existing, that would be bad precedent, for example, tomorrow they would have to allow some other channel doxxing US police officers for racism or something. I think Apple moderating Telegram is bad, but if moderation exists, closing this channel is a consistent thing to do for them. Same rules apply to everybody: no doxxing allowed, and Apple does not decide who is terrorist, and who is freedom fighter.
    - madaxe_again 6y ago
      Surely international law should decide that, and right now the international community very clearly sees the Lukashenko regime as the bad guys - they have been sanctioned, not the protestors. If the US government is sanctioned and called illegitimate internationally, then again, doxxing those oppressors is fair game. It’s either that or you let it fester into a shooting war, which is admittedly far more profitable than civil unrest. So actually, Apple is helping out international criminals, against international precedent.
      - lightgreen 6y ago
        If international community was crystal clear about this situation, Lukashenko would be in Hague tribunal now. Yes, Apple is helping international criminals. Because Apple is not the international court and international law enforcement. It’s good that Apple did not make that precedent trying to become one.
egao1980 6y ago
So when somebody dox US policemen 'oppressors' it's a crime but Belarus should get different treatment? Typical double standards.
- madaxe_again 6y ago
  The Belarusian government has been condemned and sanctioned internationally. That hasn’t happened to the US - yet.

lightgreen 6y ago

The problem is that it is not for Apple to decide who are oppressors and who are freedom fighters. Their have simple rules: no doxxing. It is not black and white case. > Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice? Exactly because Apple is not in charge of justice, they apply these rules equally to everybody.

madaxe_again 6y ago
Interesting, so they don’t sell any hardware to the Belarusian government for use in surveillance, communications, and oppression? It sounds like their stance is to be amoral, with no purpose other than to enhance shareholder value, even if it comes at the cost of human suffering. Ah, that would be a corporation.
- lightgreen 6y ago
  If they allowed this channel to continue existing, that would be bad precedent, for example, tomorrow they would have to allow some other channel doxxing US police officers for racism or something. I think Apple moderating Telegram is bad, but if moderation exists, closing this channel is a consistent thing to do for them. Same rules apply to everybody: no doxxing allowed, and Apple does not decide who is terrorist, and who is freedom fighter.
  - madaxe_again 6y ago
    Surely international law should decide that, and right now the international community very clearly sees the Lukashenko regime as the bad guys - they have been sanctioned, not the protestors. If the US government is sanctioned and called illegitimate internationally, then again, doxxing those oppressors is fair game. It’s either that or you let it fester into a shooting war, which is admittedly far more profitable than civil unrest. So actually, Apple is helping out international criminals, against international precedent.
    - lightgreen 6y ago
      If international community was crystal clear about this situation, Lukashenko would be in Hague tribunal now. Yes, Apple is helping international criminals. Because Apple is not the international court and international law enforcement. It’s good that Apple did not make that precedent trying to become one.

egao1980 6y ago

So when somebody dox US policemen 'oppressors' it's a crime but Belarus should get different treatment? Typical double standards.

madaxe_again 6y ago
The Belarusian government has been condemned and sanctioned internationally. That hasn’t happened to the US - yet.