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Because it creates an automatic subconscious response (excitement) in males. I guess brain is built that way for the sake of reproduction of human population.

by bitL 6y ago

quacked 6y ago
You're right and you're wrong. Men who grow up being exposed to the idea of nipples as sexual have a subconscious response; men who have not, don't, which is why some lineages of humanity don't have the same taboo, like most pre-modern tribes. It's the same reason that an ankle could be scandalous and arousing in 1750, but isn't now (with some exceptions in modern subculture.) Personally I'm in favor of modesty, and would prefer not to have sexuality flaunted everywhere like it is, but your answer isn't quite accurate.
- young_unixer 6y ago
  I guess that has more to do with sensory habituation/satiety than with attraction to breasts being a social construct.
- rcoveson 6y ago
  > Personally I'm in favor of modesty... I'm a little confused. Didn't your first paragraph illustrate how "modesty" is basically subjective? If that's the case, what does it mean to be in favor of it? Are you in favor of the current notion of modesty as it is today in your country, and if so, why?
  - LudwigNagasena 6y ago
    Humans share many subjective feelings and views. Just because something is subjective it doesn’t mean it should be disregarded. What days should be holidays is also pretty subjective, but if the society can agree on which days to consider as holidays, probably it can also agree on what is considered sexual and modest. (Which is actually way more important than holidays because it impacts children that could be traumatized by certain sexual behaviors).
    - rcoveson 6y ago
      > Just because something is subjective it doesn’t mean it should be disregarded. Right, I completely agree. Which is why I'm confused when somebody brings up how a topic is subjective, complicated, and has been approached in the past in a way that seems ridiculous to us today; and then says simply "personally I'm in favor of [it]." That strikes me as disregarding the issue, and even disregarding what they just said themselves. > ...probably it can also agree on what is considered sexual and modest. I don't think the people of the USA will come to an agreement on this in my lifetime. Why would they? They haven't for the last hundred years.
      - quacked 6y ago
        I see your confusion, but I never actually agreed that the way people approached it in the past was ridiculous. Nearly every single human custom is arbitrary and subjective, but there's no reason to abandon all preferences simply because we understand that. "Modesty" in my country means that behaviors and body parts that are considered sexual are not displayed prominently or advertised; it doesn't matter that a nipple may not be inherently sexual, because everyone here feels that it is, and thus not displaying (and by extension, not saturating TV, movies, and advertisements with images of sexualized breasts) would be considered modest. I certainly wouldn't mind if the nipple was eventually de-sexualized, but seeing as that's likely not possible given the internet, and since it will likely remain sexualized at least in the western world, I'd prefer if people were modest about it.
jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
Why can't I be excited? Why is that such a crime?
- hombre_fatal 6y ago
  Circumcision is rooted in the effort to reduce male masturbation and it's still practiced widely. Of course you can't enjoy some onion nips. Could lead to dancing.
- Tade0 6y ago
  Crime - no, but every social media platform that doesn't actively fight porn eventually turns into a porn site. OnlyFans is an example of a service which embraced adult content, but most others would rather not go this route.
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    Why should we separate people from what they want?
    - Tade0 6y ago
      Because most users don't want this. Those who do though are highly motivated and are able to overwhelm any service with spam.
      - srg0 6y ago
        There's a thing called user preferences. Ask a few questions when creating an account, are you ok seeing naked human body? Are you ok seeing death, blood and traumas? Are you ok seing people engaged in reproductive activities? Are you ok seeing violence? Then blur the images or text which happen to be categorised as nude, gore or porn. Require action to unblur them. Nobody is offended, nothing is censored. I can understand some people may want to avoid nipples, like some people may find images of guns or knives disturbing. But things like that are a personal preference. In this day and age information delivery is already personalized. There is no excuse to censor content or ads based on what "most users don't want".
cblconfederate 6y ago
that argument wouldn't work with native tribes. These things are entirely cultural and specifically judeo-christian. From the the ancient Minoans who portray their women usually barebreasted, to the greeks and romans , to many non-western societies, it is the prominent puritanism of anglosaxon cultures that is sticking out as an exception, not the other way around.
- bitL 6y ago
  Take it another way: would you prevent your boys from having one more erotogenous zone to explore on their partner when they are adult just so that you could explore it everywhere now? Would you be so selfish to be able to experience it now but prevent your kids from ever experiencing it?
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    Sorry that’s one of the most ridiculous arguments for oppressing everyone, and partially applied. Why not cover men’s nipples too?
    - bitL 6y ago
      We should cover sports cars, those make females excited. Not male nipples.
      - cblconfederate 6y ago
        and six-packs
        bitL 6y ago
        ...but only if they are of Magic Mike size, larger ones are repulsive (I was told).
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    There are people that fetishize feet, so I’m not sure your argument can even be supported even if it wasn’t such a strange reach.
messe 6y ago
> Because it creates an automatic subconscious response (excitement) in males. Is that an innate response? Or is it one that comes from your upbringing and social environment?
- viraptor 6y ago
  The environment. See many photos of tribal villages where women don't cover breasts. Or on the other side the not that distant outrage about women wearing trousers which exposes leg shape.
  - brabel 6y ago
    Tribe women not covering breasts does not imply tribe men did not get excited to see them. Modern women, specially young, dress very provocatively sometimes, and men definitely feel excited when they see them, yet they do it anyway.
    - 082349872349872 6y ago
      One of the oldest pieces of extant textiles is a string skirt, which was apparently designed to reveal as much as it hides. I find it entirely plausible that dressing in string skirts and flowers while dancing to songs with highly ambiguous lyrics would have been the neolithic equivalent of "woo girls" tottering around on heels, intermittently pulling down skirt hems and emitting the Sorority Mating Call ("I'm soooo drunk"). Koyo, to wa terashting mali? Fo to du seping kori mi. (Baby, are you an attitude control Epstein? Because you make my heart spin.) Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-Qtz70_z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-Qtz70_z4 Push wit xante Push wit lek Leta kom but ere dek Push wit xante Leta kori fo du mi xush
  - bitL 6y ago
    Could it be that distant tribal villages didn't go through the same type of evolution and their brains didn't develop specific receptors in their visual field/cortex to detect nipples and bind them to the reward system in the brain? We know that even a single neuron in visual cortex can detect complex objects shapes like animals, who tells us that we didn't develop a specialized nipple detector neuron linked directly to the reward center while Papuan tribes didn't?
intricatedetail 6y ago
This response fades quickly. Censorship only perpetuates this.

Because it creates an automatic subconscious response (excitement) in males. I guess brain is built that way for the sake of reproduction of human population.

by bitL 6y ago

Because it creates an automatic subconscious response (excitement) in males. I guess brain is built that way for the sake of reproduction of human population.

quacked 6y ago

You're right and you're wrong. Men who grow up being exposed to the idea of nipples as sexual have a subconscious response; men who have not, don't, which is why some lineages of humanity don't have the same taboo, like most pre-modern tribes. It's the same reason that an ankle could be scandalous and arousing in 1750, but isn't now (with some exceptions in modern subculture.) Personally I'm in favor of modesty, and would prefer not to have sexuality flaunted everywhere like it is, but your answer isn't quite accurate.

young_unixer 6y ago
I guess that has more to do with sensory habituation/satiety than with attraction to breasts being a social construct.
rcoveson 6y ago
> Personally I'm in favor of modesty... I'm a little confused. Didn't your first paragraph illustrate how "modesty" is basically subjective? If that's the case, what does it mean to be in favor of it? Are you in favor of the current notion of modesty as it is today in your country, and if so, why?
- LudwigNagasena 6y ago
  Humans share many subjective feelings and views. Just because something is subjective it doesn’t mean it should be disregarded. What days should be holidays is also pretty subjective, but if the society can agree on which days to consider as holidays, probably it can also agree on what is considered sexual and modest. (Which is actually way more important than holidays because it impacts children that could be traumatized by certain sexual behaviors).
  - rcoveson 6y ago
    > Just because something is subjective it doesn’t mean it should be disregarded. Right, I completely agree. Which is why I'm confused when somebody brings up how a topic is subjective, complicated, and has been approached in the past in a way that seems ridiculous to us today; and then says simply "personally I'm in favor of [it]." That strikes me as disregarding the issue, and even disregarding what they just said themselves. > ...probably it can also agree on what is considered sexual and modest. I don't think the people of the USA will come to an agreement on this in my lifetime. Why would they? They haven't for the last hundred years.
    - quacked 6y ago
      I see your confusion, but I never actually agreed that the way people approached it in the past was ridiculous. Nearly every single human custom is arbitrary and subjective, but there's no reason to abandon all preferences simply because we understand that. "Modesty" in my country means that behaviors and body parts that are considered sexual are not displayed prominently or advertised; it doesn't matter that a nipple may not be inherently sexual, because everyone here feels that it is, and thus not displaying (and by extension, not saturating TV, movies, and advertisements with images of sexualized breasts) would be considered modest. I certainly wouldn't mind if the nipple was eventually de-sexualized, but seeing as that's likely not possible given the internet, and since it will likely remain sexualized at least in the western world, I'd prefer if people were modest about it.

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago

Why can't I be excited? Why is that such a crime?

hombre_fatal 6y ago
Circumcision is rooted in the effort to reduce male masturbation and it's still practiced widely. Of course you can't enjoy some onion nips. Could lead to dancing.
Tade0 6y ago
Crime - no, but every social media platform that doesn't actively fight porn eventually turns into a porn site. OnlyFans is an example of a service which embraced adult content, but most others would rather not go this route.
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  Why should we separate people from what they want?
  - Tade0 6y ago
    Because most users don't want this. Those who do though are highly motivated and are able to overwhelm any service with spam.
    - srg0 6y ago
      There's a thing called user preferences. Ask a few questions when creating an account, are you ok seeing naked human body? Are you ok seeing death, blood and traumas? Are you ok seing people engaged in reproductive activities? Are you ok seeing violence? Then blur the images or text which happen to be categorised as nude, gore or porn. Require action to unblur them. Nobody is offended, nothing is censored. I can understand some people may want to avoid nipples, like some people may find images of guns or knives disturbing. But things like that are a personal preference. In this day and age information delivery is already personalized. There is no excuse to censor content or ads based on what "most users don't want".

cblconfederate 6y ago

that argument wouldn't work with native tribes. These things are entirely cultural and specifically judeo-christian. From the the ancient Minoans who portray their women usually barebreasted, to the greeks and romans , to many non-western societies, it is the prominent puritanism of anglosaxon cultures that is sticking out as an exception, not the other way around.

bitL 6y ago
Take it another way: would you prevent your boys from having one more erotogenous zone to explore on their partner when they are adult just so that you could explore it everywhere now? Would you be so selfish to be able to experience it now but prevent your kids from ever experiencing it?
- cblconfederate 6y ago
  Sorry that’s one of the most ridiculous arguments for oppressing everyone, and partially applied. Why not cover men’s nipples too?
  - bitL 6y ago
    We should cover sports cars, those make females excited. Not male nipples.
    - cblconfederate 6y ago
      and six-packs
      - bitL 6y ago
        ...but only if they are of Magic Mike size, larger ones are repulsive (I was told).
- saagarjha 6y ago
  There are people that fetishize feet, so I’m not sure your argument can even be supported even if it wasn’t such a strange reach.

messe 6y ago

> Because it creates an automatic subconscious response (excitement) in males. Is that an innate response? Or is it one that comes from your upbringing and social environment?

viraptor 6y ago
The environment. See many photos of tribal villages where women don't cover breasts. Or on the other side the not that distant outrage about women wearing trousers which exposes leg shape.
- brabel 6y ago
  Tribe women not covering breasts does not imply tribe men did not get excited to see them. Modern women, specially young, dress very provocatively sometimes, and men definitely feel excited when they see them, yet they do it anyway.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    One of the oldest pieces of extant textiles is a string skirt, which was apparently designed to reveal as much as it hides. I find it entirely plausible that dressing in string skirts and flowers while dancing to songs with highly ambiguous lyrics would have been the neolithic equivalent of "woo girls" tottering around on heels, intermittently pulling down skirt hems and emitting the Sorority Mating Call ("I'm soooo drunk"). Koyo, to wa terashting mali? Fo to du seping kori mi. (Baby, are you an attitude control Epstein? Because you make my heart spin.) Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-Qtz70_z4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_-Qtz70_z4 Push wit xante Push wit lek Leta kom but ere dek Push wit xante Leta kori fo du mi xush
- bitL 6y ago
  Could it be that distant tribal villages didn't go through the same type of evolution and their brains didn't develop specific receptors in their visual field/cortex to detect nipples and bind them to the reward system in the brain? We know that even a single neuron in visual cortex can detect complex objects shapes like animals, who tells us that we didn't develop a specialized nipple detector neuron linked directly to the reward center while Papuan tribes didn't?

intricatedetail 6y ago

This response fades quickly. Censorship only perpetuates this.