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Well, Paul Graham, YC founder seems to agree with me: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1310583298666696705 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1310583298666696705

by tpmx 6y ago

Well, Paul Graham, YC founder seems to agree with me: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1310583298666696705 https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1310583298666696705 Edit: To clarify, he is saying the right way ahead for companies is to be apolitical, or, "mission-founded". Coinbase offered employees not comfortable with the non-political mission-founded way exit packages: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24636899 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24636899

konjin 6y ago
Those thoughts aren't welcome on HN any more.
- tpmx 6y ago
  As a European looking at this spectacle from a distance: SV is eating itself. Well, good for Europe, I guess. Edit: but also good for China, and they're a lot better positioned to take advantage of this.
  - konjin 6y ago
    As a citizen of the world with several passports including a US one: this happens every 10 years. The last time was conservatives doing it so people are shocked that liberals are just as insular. The 90s PC culture wars are a thing that went in the memory hole really fast when Clinton needed the women who were accusing him to be sluts and harlots again. On the bright side social media is becoming so unbearable that we'll see more decentralization. It's hard to get banned from a forum when you run an instance of it yourself. And hard not to be when they are run by the mentally ill who think that saying crazy is a bannable offense for being ableist.
    - shadowgovt 6y ago
      And hard to get people to show up when you run your own forum.
      - konjin 6y ago
        The majority of people are not worth talking to.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        I agree. For example, they'll whip out ableist slurs like "crazy" at a moment's notice. It's tedious.
        konjin 6y ago
        Is cute that you find it so tedious that you went through my post history.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Post history? You complained about it a few posts up in this thread.
  - x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
    How on earth does anything in the current discussion point to "SV eating itself"?
  - watwut 6y ago
    Add another European, wtf you talk about? For one, this is not SV eating itself issue, this is America eating itself and going into dangerous state. Second, if America eats itself, impact on Europe will be negative. There is little Europe has to gain on this and a lot to lose.
simias 6y ago
I don't see how that has anything to do with the topic at hand. We're not talking about Twitter's success, we're talking about its influence on elections. If anything it's because it's been very successful (by some metrics) that it's in this position. I'm not saying that an ultra-politicized workplace can't be an issue, I'm saying that it's silly to blame this particular problem on it. The very concept of ad-supported social networks is the issue, not the political alignment of the guy who writes the CSS.
jariel 6y ago
There's a difference between corporate culture being 'apolitical' - and the responsibility of a large curated network to worry about misinformation. Dang will kick you off HN for all sorts of reasons - that's his right, and it's generally not 'political'. It's hard to ban 'fake news' without maybe getting possibly political, but it's not rocket science. There are already all sorts of things on FB and Twitter that are censored, and it shouldn't be 'political'. If you say you want to murder someone, well, then that's a problem. Now email that's different. If you want to be a moron over completely private network, or, you want to be a moron on your own website, then go ahead.

by tpmx 6y ago

konjin 6y ago

Those thoughts aren't welcome on HN any more.

tpmx 6y ago
As a European looking at this spectacle from a distance: SV is eating itself. Well, good for Europe, I guess. Edit: but also good for China, and they're a lot better positioned to take advantage of this.
- konjin 6y ago
  As a citizen of the world with several passports including a US one: this happens every 10 years. The last time was conservatives doing it so people are shocked that liberals are just as insular. The 90s PC culture wars are a thing that went in the memory hole really fast when Clinton needed the women who were accusing him to be sluts and harlots again. On the bright side social media is becoming so unbearable that we'll see more decentralization. It's hard to get banned from a forum when you run an instance of it yourself. And hard not to be when they are run by the mentally ill who think that saying crazy is a bannable offense for being ableist.
  - shadowgovt 6y ago
    And hard to get people to show up when you run your own forum.
    - konjin 6y ago
      The majority of people are not worth talking to.
      - shadowgovt 6y ago
        I agree. For example, they'll whip out ableist slurs like "crazy" at a moment's notice. It's tedious.
        konjin 6y ago
        Is cute that you find it so tedious that you went through my post history.
        shadowgovt 6y ago
        Post history? You complained about it a few posts up in this thread.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
  How on earth does anything in the current discussion point to "SV eating itself"?
- watwut 6y ago
  Add another European, wtf you talk about? For one, this is not SV eating itself issue, this is America eating itself and going into dangerous state. Second, if America eats itself, impact on Europe will be negative. There is little Europe has to gain on this and a lot to lose.

simias 6y ago

I don't see how that has anything to do with the topic at hand. We're not talking about Twitter's success, we're talking about its influence on elections. If anything it's because it's been very successful (by some metrics) that it's in this position. I'm not saying that an ultra-politicized workplace can't be an issue, I'm saying that it's silly to blame this particular problem on it. The very concept of ad-supported social networks is the issue, not the political alignment of the guy who writes the CSS.

jariel 6y ago

There's a difference between corporate culture being 'apolitical' - and the responsibility of a large curated network to worry about misinformation. Dang will kick you off HN for all sorts of reasons - that's his right, and it's generally not 'political'. It's hard to ban 'fake news' without maybe getting possibly political, but it's not rocket science. There are already all sorts of things on FB and Twitter that are censored, and it shouldn't be 'political'. If you say you want to murder someone, well, then that's a problem. Now email that's different. If you want to be a moron over completely private network, or, you want to be a moron on your own website, then go ahead.