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If Oracle wins the Supreme Court case against Google, aren't all these "like S3" or S3 API compatible solutions (whether block storage competitors or file syste

If Oracle wins the Supreme Court case against Google, aren't all these "like S3" or S3 API compatible solutions (whether block storage competitors or file systems) at risk?

chrislusf 6y ago
Oracle wants to lock Java, while Amazon wants to open up S3 API, so more people can use S3. On the other hand, SeaweedFS is has no API access fees and faster than S3 with your own hardware. Not sure what Amazon may do.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Oracle is fine with others using Java, provided everyone plays ball. https://adoptopenjdk.net/sponsors.html https://adoptopenjdk.net/sponsors.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines#Proprietary_implementations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines#... It is Google's own version of J++ that needs to be taken care of.
- philjohn 6y ago
  Oracle Cloud have an S3 API compatible service, don't they?
- dcveloper 6y ago
  Amazon wants to open up S3 API for now. I guess my point is launching products with S3 API combability I feel is a legal liability if Oracles wins the case. I was specifically implying block storage solutions that offer S3 API combability (i.e. use our AWS S3 competitor with matching S3 API). [1] https://www.digitalocean.com/products/spaces/ https://www.digitalocean.com/products/spaces/ [2] https://cloud.ibm.com/docs/cloud-object-storage?topic=cloud-object-storage-compatibility-api https://cloud.ibm.com/docs/cloud-object-storage?topic=cloud-...
- dragonsh 6y ago
  My suggestion don’t rely too much on S3 API after this ruling and better to have seaweedfs API as primary interface, until Amazon S3 release their API interface as true open source with right to modify for one’s own use. This is one of the biggest problems with Java, it’s free but not open source (Eric Raymond has been fighting this for a while now that free does not mean open source). Oracle can come after anyone using Java if there is substantial money to be made. So Java is only free as long as money keeps coming in for Oracle, once it dries like for SCO, they will go after anyone using Java API to extract money. Also this shows subtle difference between open source and free. In a legitimate open source licensed software copyright and right to change is granted and company cannot sue others just based on copyright like Oracle can sue anyone using Java API.

If Oracle wins the Supreme Court case against Google, aren't all these "like S3" or S3 API compatible solutions (whether block storage competitors or file systems) at risk?

chrislusf 6y ago

Oracle wants to lock Java, while Amazon wants to open up S3 API, so more people can use S3. On the other hand, SeaweedFS is has no API access fees and faster than S3 with your own hardware. Not sure what Amazon may do.

pjmlp 6y ago
Oracle is fine with others using Java, provided everyone plays ball. https://adoptopenjdk.net/sponsors.html https://adoptopenjdk.net/sponsors.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines#Proprietary_implementations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Java_virtual_machines#... It is Google's own version of J++ that needs to be taken care of.
philjohn 6y ago
Oracle Cloud have an S3 API compatible service, don't they?
dcveloper 6y ago
Amazon wants to open up S3 API for now. I guess my point is launching products with S3 API combability I feel is a legal liability if Oracles wins the case. I was specifically implying block storage solutions that offer S3 API combability (i.e. use our AWS S3 competitor with matching S3 API). [1] https://www.digitalocean.com/products/spaces/ https://www.digitalocean.com/products/spaces/ [2] https://cloud.ibm.com/docs/cloud-object-storage?topic=cloud-object-storage-compatibility-api https://cloud.ibm.com/docs/cloud-object-storage?topic=cloud-...
dragonsh 6y ago
My suggestion don’t rely too much on S3 API after this ruling and better to have seaweedfs API as primary interface, until Amazon S3 release their API interface as true open source with right to modify for one’s own use. This is one of the biggest problems with Java, it’s free but not open source (Eric Raymond has been fighting this for a while now that free does not mean open source). Oracle can come after anyone using Java if there is substantial money to be made. So Java is only free as long as money keeps coming in for Oracle, once it dries like for SCO, they will go after anyone using Java API to extract money. Also this shows subtle difference between open source and free. In a legitimate open source licensed software copyright and right to change is granted and company cannot sue others just based on copyright like Oracle can sue anyone using Java API.