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I was excited to hear about this due to the golden age of science in the Arabic world, which was a high point of Arabic culture that has since then unfortunatel

by eska 6y ago

I was excited to hear about this due to the golden age of science in the Arabic world, which was a high point of Arabic culture that has since then unfortunately declined. But wondering how the scholar was able to do this research despite Islam, it turns out that he made god responsible for the mutation, the animals just have a desire to adapt. The article makes it sound like that's a trivial difference to Darwin, but I think there are worlds in between.

BeetleB 6y ago
> I was excited to hear about this due to the golden age of science in the Arabic world, which was a high point of Arabic culture that has since then unfortunately declined. Nitpick, but much of the golden age of science in the Islamic world was not performed by Arabs, but by other Muslims (central Asians, etc).
- throwaway13239 6y ago
  Your nitpick is inaccurate, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_scholars_described_as_father_or_founder_of_a_field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_scholars_descr...
  - BeetleB 6y ago
    Your reference does not refute my claim. For one thing, a page listing only the "fathers" of fields doesn't speak much to whether the majority of scientists are of the same background. And even then, your page lists 19 people, 10 of which are clearly not Arab, with one other person of unknown origin. Only 8 of the ones in the list were Arab. A bigger list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_in_medieval_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_in_medieval... But it would take me too long to categorize each. I did click a bunch, and again - the majority were not Arabs. Edit: I see my original comment was imprecise. Saying "much of the golden age of science in the Islamic world was not performed by Arabs", does not mean there were no Arabs involved, but that a lot of it was by non-Arabs. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority were non-Arabs.
curiousgal 6y ago
I grew up in a Muslim country, unlike Christianity, Islam accepts scientific discoveries but attributes them to God instead. For instance, we were taught about the Big Bang in an Islamic Thinking class but the trick was that "God was responsible for it".
- rtx 6y ago
  Accept the evolution of man from primates.
  - Antipode 6y ago
    Accept or except?
- Ancapistani 6y ago
  > unlike Christianity, Islam accepts scientific discoveries but attributes them to God instead This seems like a very narrow concept of Christianity. While there are certainly Christian sects that reject well-established concepts it’s far from the norm.
  - vmception 6y ago
    Doubt. But I guess that just has to do with what you were exposed to and seen as normal. From my experience, I just find Islam to be 700 years newer, the Quran is a newer book and has some updates to human enlightenment south of the Mediterranean and out of necessity, for example it requires a round earth to get the shortest path to Mecca.
  - dboreham 6y ago
    Just as a point of reference that may be surprising to some used to USA religious positions: the Catholic Church fully embraces evolution.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  > Islam accepts scientific discoveries but attributes them to God So... Who invented computers? god. Who discovered radium? god... Who earned all nobel prices? god? :-) Exams must be really easy then. This is politics or ideology, not science. Ideology wearing a fur of dead science is more common that it seems nowadays (and is not exclusive from Islamic schools, it seems)
iguy 6y ago
Here's a blog post laying out in detail the gulf from Darwin: https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2020/10/07/did-arabs-come-up-with-darwinism-before-darwin/ https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2020/10/07/did-arabs-come-up-...

by eska 6y ago

BeetleB 6y ago

> I was excited to hear about this due to the golden age of science in the Arabic world, which was a high point of Arabic culture that has since then unfortunately declined. Nitpick, but much of the golden age of science in the Islamic world was not performed by Arabs, but by other Muslims (central Asians, etc).

throwaway13239 6y ago
Your nitpick is inaccurate, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_scholars_described_as_father_or_founder_of_a_field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_scholars_descr...
- BeetleB 6y ago
  Your reference does not refute my claim. For one thing, a page listing only the "fathers" of fields doesn't speak much to whether the majority of scientists are of the same background. And even then, your page lists 19 people, 10 of which are clearly not Arab, with one other person of unknown origin. Only 8 of the ones in the list were Arab. A bigger list is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_in_medieval_Islamic_world https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_in_medieval... But it would take me too long to categorize each. I did click a bunch, and again - the majority were not Arabs. Edit: I see my original comment was imprecise. Saying "much of the golden age of science in the Islamic world was not performed by Arabs", does not mean there were no Arabs involved, but that a lot of it was by non-Arabs. However, I wouldn't be surprised if the majority were non-Arabs.

curiousgal 6y ago

I grew up in a Muslim country, unlike Christianity, Islam accepts scientific discoveries but attributes them to God instead. For instance, we were taught about the Big Bang in an Islamic Thinking class but the trick was that "God was responsible for it".

rtx 6y ago
Accept the evolution of man from primates.
- Antipode 6y ago
  Accept or except?
Ancapistani 6y ago
> unlike Christianity, Islam accepts scientific discoveries but attributes them to God instead This seems like a very narrow concept of Christianity. While there are certainly Christian sects that reject well-established concepts it’s far from the norm.
- vmception 6y ago
  Doubt. But I guess that just has to do with what you were exposed to and seen as normal. From my experience, I just find Islam to be 700 years newer, the Quran is a newer book and has some updates to human enlightenment south of the Mediterranean and out of necessity, for example it requires a round earth to get the shortest path to Mecca.
- dboreham 6y ago
  Just as a point of reference that may be surprising to some used to USA religious positions: the Catholic Church fully embraces evolution.
pvaldes 6y ago
> Islam accepts scientific discoveries but attributes them to God So... Who invented computers? god. Who discovered radium? god... Who earned all nobel prices? god? :-) Exams must be really easy then. This is politics or ideology, not science. Ideology wearing a fur of dead science is more common that it seems nowadays (and is not exclusive from Islamic schools, it seems)

iguy 6y ago

Here's a blog post laying out in detail the gulf from Darwin: https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2020/10/07/did-arabs-come-up-with-darwinism-before-darwin/ https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2020/10/07/did-arabs-come-up-...