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Right, but notice the poison pill: "... no notifications to customers about an external subscription service". Protonmail has a free tier, subject to resource

Right, but notice the poison pill: "... no notifications to customers about an external subscription service". Protonmail has a free tier, subject to resource limits: https://protonmail.com/pricing https://protonmail.com/pricing What should the app do when those limits are hit that Apple could not choose to call a "notification"?

powersnail 6y ago
Considering it's protonmail, email them the notification.
- comeonseriously 6y ago
  Sounds like a notification.
  - qwertox 6y ago
    Isn't it normal for an email client to show a new-mail notification with the subject in it? Would it then depend on the wording of the subject?
    - cma 6y ago
      I believe it isn't OS-level notifications they are talking about, it's any notification in the app.
- coder543 6y ago
  That's exactly the problem. Apple doesn't want any notification of this to be visible to the user in the app. The fact that the app handles the user's email isn't guaranteed to be a relevant distinction to the random reviewer who is tasked with reviewing the app. Apple has not spelled out clearly that this is okay for them to do, which means that it is a risk. The user would be receiving a literal iOS notification from this app that talks about upgrades available outside the app.
  - powersnail 6y ago
    I don’t believe Apple can dictate what ProtonMail is sending to its user via email. Requiring no app generated notification has a clear line. Requiring no email, which is a general mean of communication, has too big an implication. What about sending a text? Or a mail? Or to a secondary email? I’m not a lawyer, but such a clause in contract would be deemed rather unjust, wouldn’t it? It feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
    - coder543 6y ago
      > It feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Lawsuits against Apple's App Store policy enforcement are already in progress, but Apple has the best lawyers money can buy, and rulings are years away. If a substantial part of your business risked being terminated at the click of a button by some unelected person that you have never met, with no proper way to appeal such an unjust decision, you'd probably think twice about doing something that could be misconstrued as intentionally violating App Store Guidelines too. I blame Apple for the lack of clarity both in their rules and their enforcement. I don't blame ProtonMail for trying to adhere to Apple's arbitrary rules that often make little sense.
      - powersnail 6y ago
        At least part of the job of those lawyers is to tell Apple to not fight unlikely battles; or at least I hope. Apple wasn't crazy enough to go after Amazon Kindle app for asking the user to buy ebooks on Amazon.com, which bypassed Apple's system. Probably---hopefully---they aren't crazy enough to fight a email client for sending emails regarding upgrade plans.
        deleuze 6y ago
        Absolute 0% of those lawyers jobs is to tell Apple to not pursue litigation. Do you understand what the point of litigation is for a company this size? They have over $100 billion in cash, even the most expensive lawyers salaries is a drop in the bucket. They can afford to drag a company like Protonmail through the mud for decades if they want to.

powersnail 6y ago

Considering it's protonmail, email them the notification.

comeonseriously 6y ago
Sounds like a notification.
- qwertox 6y ago
  Isn't it normal for an email client to show a new-mail notification with the subject in it? Would it then depend on the wording of the subject?
  - cma 6y ago
    I believe it isn't OS-level notifications they are talking about, it's any notification in the app.
coder543 6y ago
That's exactly the problem. Apple doesn't want any notification of this to be visible to the user in the app. The fact that the app handles the user's email isn't guaranteed to be a relevant distinction to the random reviewer who is tasked with reviewing the app. Apple has not spelled out clearly that this is okay for them to do, which means that it is a risk. The user would be receiving a literal iOS notification from this app that talks about upgrades available outside the app.
- powersnail 6y ago
  I don’t believe Apple can dictate what ProtonMail is sending to its user via email. Requiring no app generated notification has a clear line. Requiring no email, which is a general mean of communication, has too big an implication. What about sending a text? Or a mail? Or to a secondary email? I’m not a lawyer, but such a clause in contract would be deemed rather unjust, wouldn’t it? It feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
  - coder543 6y ago
    > It feels like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Lawsuits against Apple's App Store policy enforcement are already in progress, but Apple has the best lawyers money can buy, and rulings are years away. If a substantial part of your business risked being terminated at the click of a button by some unelected person that you have never met, with no proper way to appeal such an unjust decision, you'd probably think twice about doing something that could be misconstrued as intentionally violating App Store Guidelines too. I blame Apple for the lack of clarity both in their rules and their enforcement. I don't blame ProtonMail for trying to adhere to Apple's arbitrary rules that often make little sense.
    - powersnail 6y ago
      At least part of the job of those lawyers is to tell Apple to not fight unlikely battles; or at least I hope. Apple wasn't crazy enough to go after Amazon Kindle app for asking the user to buy ebooks on Amazon.com, which bypassed Apple's system. Probably---hopefully---they aren't crazy enough to fight a email client for sending emails regarding upgrade plans.
      - deleuze 6y ago
        Absolute 0% of those lawyers jobs is to tell Apple to not pursue litigation. Do you understand what the point of litigation is for a company this size? They have over $100 billion in cash, even the most expensive lawyers salaries is a drop in the bucket. They can afford to drag a company like Protonmail through the mud for decades if they want to.