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The west, the most powerful civilization in history, stand by watching in horror. Are you serious? I don't have links or videos saved with me right now, but I

The west, the most powerful civilization in history, stand by watching in horror. Are you serious? I don't have links or videos saved with me right now, but I am an Egyptian and followed all of what happened. I can get it if I wanted, but it will take time. But I think you can easily find it. Listen to professor Chomsky's lectures for example. As far as I remember, this one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLPYN82xHck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLPYN82xHck) contains most of his opinions about it. But I would have to watch it again to be sure. Even "Last Week Tonight with John Oliver" was joking about how Obama didn't admit the coup to keep giving them aid, but I also don't have the link of the episode here. So I think it is obvious if you wanted to see it. But pick your opinion as you wish. It is a free world, right?

simonh 6y ago
Ive seen that one already, and just listened to some of it again s a quick refresher. Chomsky does accuse the US government of not wanting a democratic government in Egypt, but doesn't actually blame them for the failure of the Morsi government. Instead he blames his friends in the left Liberal movement of Egypt for supporting the Military coup. As for Obama fudging the question of whether it was a coup, that's exactly the useless after the fact hand-wringing I'm talking about. At that point the coup was a done deal. It may even be true that western leaders prefer to deal with Middle Eastern autocrats, but (a) when given the opportunity that's not what they set up in Iraq. And (b) they don't actually get to decide who rules any Arab countries anyway. Even in Iraq which they conquered, because they handed that decision over to the electorate.
- mrwnmonm 6y ago
  I didn't talk about the failure of the Morsi government, that is highly controversial. I am saying that they supported the coup before it even happens. They communicated with the military before the coup, giving them the green light to do it. As I said, I didn't save the sources, but I know what I have read. But I can't ask you to believe me in that case.
- mrwnmonm 6y ago
  And what did Obama say (then do) about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2013_Rabaa_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2013_Rabaa_massacre I know that there are a lot of people in the west who are honest about their values. But we don't see that at all from the governments. So don't blame us thinking that the US never cared about their values.

simonh 6y ago

Ive seen that one already, and just listened to some of it again s a quick refresher. Chomsky does accuse the US government of not wanting a democratic government in Egypt, but doesn't actually blame them for the failure of the Morsi government. Instead he blames his friends in the left Liberal movement of Egypt for supporting the Military coup. As for Obama fudging the question of whether it was a coup, that's exactly the useless after the fact hand-wringing I'm talking about. At that point the coup was a done deal. It may even be true that western leaders prefer to deal with Middle Eastern autocrats, but (a) when given the opportunity that's not what they set up in Iraq. And (b) they don't actually get to decide who rules any Arab countries anyway. Even in Iraq which they conquered, because they handed that decision over to the electorate.

mrwnmonm 6y ago
I didn't talk about the failure of the Morsi government, that is highly controversial. I am saying that they supported the coup before it even happens. They communicated with the military before the coup, giving them the green light to do it. As I said, I didn't save the sources, but I know what I have read. But I can't ask you to believe me in that case.
mrwnmonm 6y ago
And what did Obama say (then do) about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2013_Rabaa_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_2013_Rabaa_massacre I know that there are a lot of people in the west who are honest about their values. But we don't see that at all from the governments. So don't blame us thinking that the US never cared about their values.