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Is Protonmail taking a cut out of any transactions that may happen over your email?

whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
No. But I feel robbed when I have to pay $8/mo for an extra virtual email box. Sidenote: Apple also doesn't take a cut of any payments that I send with my iPhone.
- hundchenkatze 6y ago
  Then you should feel robbed when $2.40 of that goes to an unrelated company.
  - whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
    It's not like I want to build my own smartphone ecosystem or an encrypted email service. So I pay and get on with my life. No one forces me to do this.
    - hundchenkatze 6y ago
      No one forces you to shitpost with a throwaway either, yet here we are...
- NikolaeVarius 6y ago
  Is someone making you use ProtonMail?
  - whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
    Is someone making ProtonMail use AppStore?
    - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
      YES. That is precisely what the 50 threads on HN on this topic in the last two months have been about. There is no realistic / reasonable way to distribute an iPhone app outside the app store.
      - whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
        Why buy an iPhone then?
    - djfdat 6y ago
      Yes, the large number of users that expect it to work natively on their primary computing device.
    - politician 6y ago
      Yes.
    - celsoazevedo 6y ago
      Unlike macOS, Windows, Linux, and Android, there's no other way of installing apps on iOS. You have to use the App Store.
      - whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
        Can't ProtonMail do a web based mobile client?
        celsoazevedo 6y ago
        You can't do a proper web app on iOS because Safari/Webkit doesn't support what you need to do it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14864131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14864131 This wouldn't be a problem if you could install Firefox, Chrome, etc, but on iOS browsers can't use their engine... they're essentially Safari with a different skin on top. I think complaints from devs/services make less sense on Android. Almost everyone uses Google's Play Store, but you can install an app manually like you do on your phone or even use a 3rd party store. If you don't like Chrome, you can install Firefox. If Google bans VPNs in China (like Apple did), users can sideload the app. On iOS, for devs, it's either the App Store and Apple rules or you're out of the platform. For users, it's what Apple allows... and many of their rules aren't there to protect users.

No. But I feel robbed when I have to pay $8/mo for an extra virtual email box. Sidenote: Apple also doesn't take a cut of any payments that I send with my iPhone.

hundchenkatze 6y ago
Then you should feel robbed when $2.40 of that goes to an unrelated company.
- whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
  It's not like I want to build my own smartphone ecosystem or an encrypted email service. So I pay and get on with my life. No one forces me to do this.
  - hundchenkatze 6y ago
    No one forces you to shitpost with a throwaway either, yet here we are...
NikolaeVarius 6y ago
Is someone making you use ProtonMail?
- whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
  Is someone making ProtonMail use AppStore?
  - kinkrtyavimoodh 6y ago
    YES. That is precisely what the 50 threads on HN on this topic in the last two months have been about. There is no realistic / reasonable way to distribute an iPhone app outside the app store.
    - whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
      Why buy an iPhone then?
  - djfdat 6y ago
    Yes, the large number of users that expect it to work natively on their primary computing device.
  - politician 6y ago
    Yes.
  - celsoazevedo 6y ago
    Unlike macOS, Windows, Linux, and Android, there's no other way of installing apps on iOS. You have to use the App Store.
    - whaaaaaaaaa 6y ago
      Can't ProtonMail do a web based mobile client?
      - celsoazevedo 6y ago
        You can't do a proper web app on iOS because Safari/Webkit doesn't support what you need to do it well: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14864131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14864131 This wouldn't be a problem if you could install Firefox, Chrome, etc, but on iOS browsers can't use their engine... they're essentially Safari with a different skin on top. I think complaints from devs/services make less sense on Android. Almost everyone uses Google's Play Store, but you can install an app manually like you do on your phone or even use a 3rd party store. If you don't like Chrome, you can install Firefox. If Google bans VPNs in China (like Apple did), users can sideload the app. On iOS, for devs, it's either the App Store and Apple rules or you're out of the platform. For users, it's what Apple allows... and many of their rules aren't there to protect users.