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This article is ridiculous. 1. Many homeless people are insane. Not all, and it is more represented in TV than in real life, but it is still true. I guess it's

This article is ridiculous. 1. Many homeless people are insane. Not all, and it is more represented in TV than in real life, but it is still true. I guess it's kind of a shame that media doesn't represent homeless people better, but tropes do come partially from truth. And come on, a "thinking brain dog" is pretty funny. 2. No one wants to tune into a noir PI show and watch struggles to pay the bills and roommate drama. And don't be ridiculous, there are tons of shows that show people living in shitty conditions. 3. This point makes me think the article is satire. Seriously? It's "classist" to kill stormtroopers since they're probably just "low-middle income people making ends meet?" 4. I'm guessing this show is based off the middle ages, where commoners literally did have lice and rotting teeth. Don't forsake realism for 21st century ideals of "anti-classism." 5. This has to be a joke too. The reason collective action is "villainized" in those stories is because it went too far. Protesting is fine and whatever, but if you're causing destruction then obviously your protest movement should be villainized. It's not classist.

dismantlethesun 6y ago
> 2. No one wants to tune into a noir PI show and watch struggles to pay the bills and roommate drama. And don't be ridiculous, there are tons of shows that show people living in shitty conditions. The articles premise is that TV drama, shows people struggling to pay rent while living in palatial apartments. They do so, not because all TV producers and writers are crazy classists, but because it's much easier to fit a film crew and studio lighting into a large apartment than your average real-sized Manhattan studio. Writers understand this and lampshade it by giving various excuses, for example in Friends the large apartment was an inheritance from one rich-girls' grandparents, or in Jessica Jones, the building is falling apart and in a bad neighborhood so she gets a deal on rent because her presence keeps away undesirables. However, the article rightly claims this is classist. That's true in a 'fridge logic'[1] sense, but you have to suspend your disbelief if you actually want to watch the show. [1] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic
eesmith 6y ago
> It's "classist" to kill stormtroopers since they're probably just "low-middle income people making ends meet?" https://www.theonion.com/death-star-to-open-day-care-center-1819563895 https://www.theonion.com/death-star-to-open-day-care-center-... gives a very different way to think of the destruction of the Death Star. :)
- true_religion 6y ago
  As evil as the empire seems in the first triology, I like how the expanded universe, and the films that came afterwards went on to show that from their point of view they weren't all that bad. Even if they were headed by the fictional embodiment of cackling evil, the rank and file just wanted order, and freedom from the fear of being captured as slaves for the Outer Rim or murdered by interplanetary cartels, which the previous Republic had ignored for political reasons.
  - HashingtheCode 6y ago
    > went on to show that from their point of view they weren't all that bad. Exactly, just like the Nazi soldiers weren't all that bad either but they were just following the orders of their superiors and believed in a united Germany. But really they were ok.
    - HashingtheCode 6y ago
      low-middle income people making ends meet? just like storm troopers in Star Wars
jasonshen 6y ago
The article is pointing out how popular stories exacerbate stereotypes that are based in class, and most stereotypes are rooted in some truth. But the whole point of stories are that they are fiction, and yet we often see them as reflecting the real world. Pop culture influences our behavior. You may not care about these issues but the article is merely pointing out that the issues exist and how to mitigate them - should the storyteller choose to do so. There's nothing ridiculous about that.
- crumbshot 6y ago
  Agreed on that. It just looks like the parent commenter is feeling a strong reaction to having their assumptions challenged. Which I think is also a purpose of the article, exposing some of the underlying assumptions of these tropes that many people have fully internalised, and thus would never otherwise question.

dismantlethesun 6y ago

> 2. No one wants to tune into a noir PI show and watch struggles to pay the bills and roommate drama. And don't be ridiculous, there are tons of shows that show people living in shitty conditions. The articles premise is that TV drama, shows people struggling to pay rent while living in palatial apartments. They do so, not because all TV producers and writers are crazy classists, but because it's much easier to fit a film crew and studio lighting into a large apartment than your average real-sized Manhattan studio. Writers understand this and lampshade it by giving various excuses, for example in Friends the large apartment was an inheritance from one rich-girls' grandparents, or in Jessica Jones, the building is falling apart and in a bad neighborhood so she gets a deal on rent because her presence keeps away undesirables. However, the article rightly claims this is classist. That's true in a 'fridge logic'[1] sense, but you have to suspend your disbelief if you actually want to watch the show. [1] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FridgeLogic

eesmith 6y ago

> It's "classist" to kill stormtroopers since they're probably just "low-middle income people making ends meet?" https://www.theonion.com/death-star-to-open-day-care-center-1819563895 https://www.theonion.com/death-star-to-open-day-care-center-... gives a very different way to think of the destruction of the Death Star. :)

true_religion 6y ago
As evil as the empire seems in the first triology, I like how the expanded universe, and the films that came afterwards went on to show that from their point of view they weren't all that bad. Even if they were headed by the fictional embodiment of cackling evil, the rank and file just wanted order, and freedom from the fear of being captured as slaves for the Outer Rim or murdered by interplanetary cartels, which the previous Republic had ignored for political reasons.
- HashingtheCode 6y ago
  > went on to show that from their point of view they weren't all that bad. Exactly, just like the Nazi soldiers weren't all that bad either but they were just following the orders of their superiors and believed in a united Germany. But really they were ok.
  - HashingtheCode 6y ago
    low-middle income people making ends meet? just like storm troopers in Star Wars

jasonshen 6y ago

The article is pointing out how popular stories exacerbate stereotypes that are based in class, and most stereotypes are rooted in some truth. But the whole point of stories are that they are fiction, and yet we often see them as reflecting the real world. Pop culture influences our behavior. You may not care about these issues but the article is merely pointing out that the issues exist and how to mitigate them - should the storyteller choose to do so. There's nothing ridiculous about that.

crumbshot 6y ago
Agreed on that. It just looks like the parent commenter is feeling a strong reaction to having their assumptions challenged. Which I think is also a purpose of the article, exposing some of the underlying assumptions of these tropes that many people have fully internalised, and thus would never otherwise question.