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As the author of this blog post, I find this statement interesting. Can you expand upon the sentiments expressed in your statement? Also, by 'read this', do y

As the author of this blog post, I find this statement interesting. Can you expand upon the sentiments expressed in your statement? Also, by 'read this', do you mean just the blog post, or contents of the works by Jim Roskind?

tom_mellior 6y ago
As the author of the blog post, would you be willing to change its title to "The Jim Roskind C and C++ Grammars"? The text makes it very clear that you know that C and C++ are separate languages, and that the archives actually contain separate grammar files for these separate languages. As they should. From past experience I find "C/C++" a very grating term. Back when I was reading comp.lang.c, "C/C++" was used in questions by particular brands of people, who tried to compile C++ with a C compiler, or compile C with a C++ compiler, or use C++ features in what they thought was C, or in general were confused about the fact that there is no single language called "C/C++", but rather two separate, incompatible languages called "C" and "C++". Anyway, wouldn't it be good to not add to the (potential) confusion?
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Better tell ISO, NVidia, ARM, Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Apple, Google,... to fix their documentation as well.
  - tom_mellior 6y ago
    I know you're just trolling, but I'll take a link to that ISO "C/C++" standard if you have it handy.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Not trolling at all, just fed up with "I know better", C/C++ is an abbreviation for C and C++, a very basic English grammar rule. You want a link? Here are several, https://www.arm.com/products/development-tools/server-and-hpc/allinea-studio/cpp-compiler https://www.arm.com/products/development-tools/server-and-hp... https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/videos/new-cc-language-features-in-intel-cc-compiler-160.html https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/videos/... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/cpp/c-cpp-language-and-standard-libraries?view=vs-2019 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/cpp/c-cpp-language-and-... https://www.ibm.com/products/xl-cpp-aix-compiler-power https://www.ibm.com/products/xl-cpp-aix-compiler-power https://developer.amd.com/amd-aocc/ https://developer.amd.com/amd-aocc/ Ah, from ISO as well, no problem, can I start with one paper from Bjarne? https://isocpp.org/blog/2020/06/thriving-in-a-crowded-and-changing-world-cpp-20062020 https://isocpp.org/blog/2020/06/thriving-in-a-crowded-and-ch... > In addition to these groups, there is a semi-official C/C++ liaison group consisting of people who are members of both the C++ committee and the C committee.... I can provide you more papers from the same author, maybe you feel like educating Bjarne Stroustrup on how to write it.
- choeger 6y ago
  The languages are related but quite different. The eco system and ABI are rather similar, though.
- robertelder 6y ago
  hah, because you care so much, I'll go ahead and make that change. It's probably better for SEO anyway. I made the change on my local copy. It will get pushed next time I re-build the site.
  - tom_mellior 6y ago
    Awesome, thanks!

tom_mellior 6y ago

As the author of the blog post, would you be willing to change its title to "The Jim Roskind C and C++ Grammars"? The text makes it very clear that you know that C and C++ are separate languages, and that the archives actually contain separate grammar files for these separate languages. As they should. From past experience I find "C/C++" a very grating term. Back when I was reading comp.lang.c, "C/C++" was used in questions by particular brands of people, who tried to compile C++ with a C compiler, or compile C with a C++ compiler, or use C++ features in what they thought was C, or in general were confused about the fact that there is no single language called "C/C++", but rather two separate, incompatible languages called "C" and "C++". Anyway, wouldn't it be good to not add to the (potential) confusion?

pjmlp 6y ago
Better tell ISO, NVidia, ARM, Intel, AMD, Microsoft, Apple, Google,... to fix their documentation as well.
- tom_mellior 6y ago
  I know you're just trolling, but I'll take a link to that ISO "C/C++" standard if you have it handy.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Not trolling at all, just fed up with "I know better", C/C++ is an abbreviation for C and C++, a very basic English grammar rule. You want a link? Here are several, https://www.arm.com/products/development-tools/server-and-hpc/allinea-studio/cpp-compiler https://www.arm.com/products/development-tools/server-and-hp... https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/videos/new-cc-language-features-in-intel-cc-compiler-160.html https://software.intel.com/content/www/us/en/develop/videos/... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/cpp/c-cpp-language-and-standard-libraries?view=vs-2019 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/cpp/cpp/c-cpp-language-and-... https://www.ibm.com/products/xl-cpp-aix-compiler-power https://www.ibm.com/products/xl-cpp-aix-compiler-power https://developer.amd.com/amd-aocc/ https://developer.amd.com/amd-aocc/ Ah, from ISO as well, no problem, can I start with one paper from Bjarne? https://isocpp.org/blog/2020/06/thriving-in-a-crowded-and-changing-world-cpp-20062020 https://isocpp.org/blog/2020/06/thriving-in-a-crowded-and-ch... > In addition to these groups, there is a semi-official C/C++ liaison group consisting of people who are members of both the C++ committee and the C committee.... I can provide you more papers from the same author, maybe you feel like educating Bjarne Stroustrup on how to write it.
choeger 6y ago
The languages are related but quite different. The eco system and ABI are rather similar, though.
robertelder 6y ago
hah, because you care so much, I'll go ahead and make that change. It's probably better for SEO anyway. I made the change on my local copy. It will get pushed next time I re-build the site.
- tom_mellior 6y ago
  Awesome, thanks!