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I'm from a 3rd world Muslim country, I also agree that the number of people who actively oppose "western education" is extremely small. They are on the fringe e

I'm from a 3rd world Muslim country, I also agree that the number of people who actively oppose "western education" is extremely small. They are on the fringe even in the rural, comparatively religious society I grew up in. It's important to remember that most people don't really worry about this kind of ideological questions, like whether studying in university is incompatible with Quran. Hell, most people don't even know what's in Quran. So at least in contemporary world, I think lack of Muslim progress is better explained by poverty and not through those ideological analyses.

bayesian_horse 6y ago
I agree. I am and live among white first world people and I often hear the opinion that the problems of muslim immigrants both here and in their home country are caused by their bad character traits, either culturally or genetically. To me this is bullshit. Most of these problems are caused by poverty. If you're poor you don't have good education, information, nutrition, health systems and all the like. And that causes all sorts of disadvantages people can't imagine. It's not character or genetics.
- cbnotfromthere 6y ago
  "I agree. I am and live among white first world people and I often hear the opinion that the problems of muslim immigrants both here and in their home country are caused by their bad character traits, either culturally or genetically. To me this is bullshit. Most of these problems are caused by poverty. If you're poor you don't have good education, information, nutrition, health systems and all the like. And that causes all sorts of disadvantages people can't imagine. It's not character or genetics." Too bad a simple A/B testing will reveal your own belief to be wrong. There are many countries where poverty creates masses of people without "good education, information, nutrition, health systems and all the like", yet is it consistently Muslims countries who create first-hand violent extremists (aka "terrorists") and their supporters. To further destroy your thesis, most of the 9/11 terrorists were educated Saudis from middle-class to rich families.

bayesian_horse 6y ago

I agree. I am and live among white first world people and I often hear the opinion that the problems of muslim immigrants both here and in their home country are caused by their bad character traits, either culturally or genetically. To me this is bullshit. Most of these problems are caused by poverty. If you're poor you don't have good education, information, nutrition, health systems and all the like. And that causes all sorts of disadvantages people can't imagine. It's not character or genetics.

cbnotfromthere 6y ago
"I agree. I am and live among white first world people and I often hear the opinion that the problems of muslim immigrants both here and in their home country are caused by their bad character traits, either culturally or genetically. To me this is bullshit. Most of these problems are caused by poverty. If you're poor you don't have good education, information, nutrition, health systems and all the like. And that causes all sorts of disadvantages people can't imagine. It's not character or genetics." Too bad a simple A/B testing will reveal your own belief to be wrong. There are many countries where poverty creates masses of people without "good education, information, nutrition, health systems and all the like", yet is it consistently Muslims countries who create first-hand violent extremists (aka "terrorists") and their supporters. To further destroy your thesis, most of the 9/11 terrorists were educated Saudis from middle-class to rich families.