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Good point - but soldiers at least have a choice in enlisting and have some idea of potential consequences.

yetihehe 6y ago
In USA - currently yes. In many countries there is still unvoluntary army draft. "Some idea" of potential consequences - yeah, you can get killed. If I was sure that I could get killed for morally valid reasons (like defending my homeland, your moral validity may differ) and not to defend oil execs exploiting poorer coutries, I would have less objections. I'm rather convinced that we will have some big war soon and I'll try to help defend my country first with my skills and if that's not enough, then at least as cannon fodder. BTW, I'm not from USA, we had forced draft until several years ago.
kittiepryde 6y ago
Sometimes the other choice is unemployment without hope for education.
- nwsm 6y ago
  Not to mention pushy/disingenuous military recruitment tactics.
- abduhl 6y ago
  But I thought Uber and Lyft fixed that problem by allowing people to get predatory leases and then work for below minimum wage?
throwaway894345 6y ago
Sometimes soldiers don’t even have the choice to enlist. Conscription and drafts have not been rare historically.
nabnob 6y ago
Military recruitment intentionally targets poor and working class small towns where people don't have a lot of career choices.
- ganoushoreilly 6y ago
  And the trade off is often times more upward mobility in their life vs. stagnant wages and trouble. The military isn't for everyone, but I know plenty of people that came from all walks of life that joined for a myriad of reasons. The military is first and foremost about providing economic means for those that need a step out of their circumstances. You can agree, or disagree. The reality is most people argue college is the answer. Not everyone can get into school, and most won't get scholarships, lest we even look at the issues with post college placement. The military is an option, one that is good for many. It can provide, shelter, food, generous pay, healthcare, and set you up with fully paid college. Most of these things are readily available to well off individuals, so it's less targeting poor people as it is giving them an option they otherwise don't have.

In USA - currently yes. In many countries there is still unvoluntary army draft. "Some idea" of potential consequences - yeah, you can get killed. If I was sure that I could get killed for morally valid reasons (like defending my homeland, your moral validity may differ) and not to defend oil execs exploiting poorer coutries, I would have less objections. I'm rather convinced that we will have some big war soon and I'll try to help defend my country first with my skills and if that's not enough, then at least as cannon fodder. BTW, I'm not from USA, we had forced draft until several years ago.

kittiepryde 6y ago

Sometimes the other choice is unemployment without hope for education.

nwsm 6y ago
Not to mention pushy/disingenuous military recruitment tactics.
abduhl 6y ago
But I thought Uber and Lyft fixed that problem by allowing people to get predatory leases and then work for below minimum wage?

throwaway894345 6y ago

Sometimes soldiers don’t even have the choice to enlist. Conscription and drafts have not been rare historically.

nabnob 6y ago

Military recruitment intentionally targets poor and working class small towns where people don't have a lot of career choices.

ganoushoreilly 6y ago
And the trade off is often times more upward mobility in their life vs. stagnant wages and trouble. The military isn't for everyone, but I know plenty of people that came from all walks of life that joined for a myriad of reasons. The military is first and foremost about providing economic means for those that need a step out of their circumstances. You can agree, or disagree. The reality is most people argue college is the answer. Not everyone can get into school, and most won't get scholarships, lest we even look at the issues with post college placement. The military is an option, one that is good for many. It can provide, shelter, food, generous pay, healthcare, and set you up with fully paid college. Most of these things are readily available to well off individuals, so it's less targeting poor people as it is giving them an option they otherwise don't have.