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Israel has that because the US accepts and supports that development. They won't allow that in the islamic countries.
by mrwnmonm 6y ago
Israel has that because the US accepts and supports that development. They won't allow that in the islamic countries.
- simonh 6y agoIf the Arab nations decided to embrace science education and to industrialise their economies there's nothing the USA or Europe could, or would want to do to stop it. In fact the West would gleefully sell them the technical know how and equipment needed to do it. After all, they even did the same for Communist China.
- pvaldes 6y ago> If the Arab nations decided to embrace science education and to industrialise their economies there's nothing the USA or Europe could, or would want to do to stop it. Agree. But to be fair, not all is rosy. Israel has been signaled as the responsible of serial killings of scientists "of interest" in other countries. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nuclear_scientists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Iranian_nucle... This means that we have less people in the planet able to find a solution for the problem of managing nuclear residues, for example. Something that would have greatly benefited Israel itself. And there are more than 300 cases of teachers being kidnapped, tortured and/or assasinated by US army (or other agents). http://www.iraqsolidaridad.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/List-of-Iraqi-academics-assassinated-November-2013.pdf http://www.iraqsolidaridad.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/... The idea of a country systematically killing 320 academics in Occident would be clearly seen as something atrocious. This should be treated exactly the same by international organisms.
- mrwnmonm 6y agoAgain, that happened in Egypt, and the US were very much happy to support a coup that undone everything gained by the Egyption revolution.
- ginko 6y agoWhy do you believe the US supported the 2013 coup?
- newen 6y agohttps://theintercept.com/2014/10/02/feigned-american-support-egyptian-democracy-lasted-roughly-six-weeks/ https://theintercept.com/2014/10/02/feigned-american-support...
- mrwnmonm 6y agoResponded in another comment.
- mrwnmonm 6y agoAdding that Trump sat with Al Sisi in the white house while saying he did a very good job in a difficult situation. While I won't judge the US by what someone like Trump says, but those words were very true. Obama wasn't just that stupid to announce it like that.
- simonh 6y agoThe US has no say in the internal politics of Egypt, or any Arab countries. The most the West can do is stand by watching in horror, wringing our hands. When we do get mired in it, as with Iraq, the limits of our actual ability to direct change becomes painfully apparent very quickly.
- leftyted 6y agoIsrael does not have successful academic institutions because of the US. They built it themselves. The theory that the US "does not allow" the establishment of academic institutions in Islamic countries is equally wrong. edit - There is a common attitude among Arabs (evident in this poster's comments in this thread) that everything bad in Arab countries is due to some combination of the US and Israel. One of my teachers, a Jordanian, told me how his father would poke fun at this attitude: when something in the house would break, his father would ironically blame Israel for it. American foreign policy in the Arab world is complicated. It seems to me that many Arab countries oscillate between Islamist democracies and secular dictatorships. The US prefers the latter to the former. I think it's fair to criticize this stance but my sense is that the US would support a secular democracy, were it possible. The Obama administration supported the secular opposition to Assad...but it has turned out that the biggest faction of the Syrian opposition are Sunnis motivated by Islamism, hence America backing away from Syria.
- mrwnmonm 6y ago> There is a common attitude among Arabs (evident in this poster's comments in this thread) that everything bad in Arab countries is due to some combination of the US and Israel. One of my teachers, a Jordanian, told me how his father would poke fun at this attitude: when something in the house would break, his father would ironically blame Israel for it. To prove that your arrogant comment is wrong: I didn't mention that Israel is responsible for anything, I was mainly talking about the US. And I didn't say that all of the problems caused by them.
- vmh1928 6y agoJewish culture has always had a deep respect for and encouragement of intellectual development. The Islamic world may have had that in the past but it's been heavily suppressed by the spread and rise to power and influence of more extreme and rigid forms of that belief system. In Israel, if the extreme orthodox were in charge or had as much influence as extreme Islam, you'd probably find suppression of intellectual development.
- mrwnmonm 6y agoYou missed my point. I am not talking about who built it. I am saying that the US doesn't allow true democracy in the Middle East which should be followed by scientific development.