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When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his oppositio

by mola 6y ago

When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his opposition ? Obama may not have been perfect but he was always respectful, always kept his cool. Comparing Trump's hateful rhetoric of his opposition to How obama conducted himself is a bad joke.

LeCow 6y ago
One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Trump is the first president in a long time that hasn't invaded a country. Sure he's authorised bombings, which president hasn't? But I can't remember the last time a president didn't put troops somewhere. Ironically he's getting a lot of hate for pulling out of Syria/Germany.
aokiji 6y ago
Actions speak louder than words. Obama did nothing to receive the prize but being a puppet of George Soros. Trump achieved something historical in the Middle East.
ThomPete 6y ago
You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.
- metalliqaz 6y ago
  Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    Why do you think Twitter is the right platform to measure that by?
    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      Because it's easiest to search. Please, explain to me how "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" is not divisive.
      - ThomPete 6y ago
        It easy to search but it doesn't have many of Trumps voters which makes it a useless platform to decide or measure whether Obama was divisive.
  - shripadk 6y ago
    > Do you really want to start comparing the public record? Public record is what they did when they were both in office for the people of the United States. I would definitely compare the two because Trump will win hands down. You are wanting to compare the two Twitter accounts. Tweets don't feed people. Tweets don't solve issues. Tweets don't make policies. > Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Since you wanted to compare the two let us start with funding of Historically Black Colleges. Because a "racist" President would never increase funds for HBCUs. Instead, he would ensure that the funding is reduced. Obama in the first two years: $1.43B. Trump in first two years of his office: $1.58B [1]. "And even though we may not be able to fully trust numbers compiled by officials working under partisan directives, there are few budget outlines of any kind which suggest other than what too many of us fear; the guy we love to hate is showing historic love to historically black colleges." [1]: https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus-through-their-first-two-years/ https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus... “Oh, man … yesterday was great and historic. I’ve been around a long time and I’ve never seen so many black folks gathered in the Oval Office,” said Haynes, who was part of that photo opportunity. He also helped bring together the Trump administration and congressional leaders to discuss areas of collaboration between HBCUs and the federal government. “With this executive order, we will make HBCUs a priority in the White House — an absolute priority,” Trump said. “A lot of people are going to be angry that they’re not a priority, but that’s OK.” [2]: https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-order-on-hbcus/ https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-ord...
    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      you're living in a fantasy world, an absolute fantasy world, if you think Obama was more divisive than Trump. And I didn't say Trump was racist, I said that inclusive (rather than divisive) language angers racists. I think it's very telling that you interpreted that as "trump = racist" and jumped into action with unrelated talking points you just happened to have laying around. That's very shill-like behavior. Even though I think he probably is racist, I don't know for sure. What I do know for sure is that he intentionally uses rage-bait and wedge issues to divide the public for his own benefit. This is clear and obvious. That "evidence" up there is from a class of argumentation designed not to change anyone's mind, but to give supporters an excuse to put concerns of racism out of their head and stay with him. That's why you find it so convincing. you want to like him. Most of politics is like this. How can I tell? Well it's flimsy to anyone who cares to look. For example, the only numbers cited compare two values that are very similar (within 10%) but compare two period separated by 8 years, with the former during an bad economy that Obama inherited from Bush (and fixed) and the later during a good economy that Trump inherited from Obama (and destroyed). Also, as I'm sure you know, executive orders don't increase funding for anything. Congress does that. What Trump did is what he always does. Some purely-performative stunt that does no actual good and is just designed to grab headlines. Moving an advisory board into the White House is a death sentence, not a benefit. But of course none of this matters. Your tribe is your tribe, until death do you part. What you might want to consider is that your tribe will only survive if you cut out the cancer. I won't be responding further. Have a nice day, and try not to catch the 'rona.
  - shripadk 6y ago
    > Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Now when Pandemic struck, Trump could have used it as an excuse to defund HBCUs right? That is what a racist would do. On the contrary, he delivered an additional $1.4 Billion through the CARES Act: "This Administration is committed to the success of HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions, and the students they serve. Each institution is unique and is an important part of this country's educational fabric," said Secretary DeVos. "By providing additional support to these important institutions, we can help ensure they emerge from this crisis stronger than before. I encourage these institutions, like all others, to use these funds to provide emergency grants to students during this challenging time, and to expand remote learning programs and build IT capacity. These are challenging times, but if we take this opportunity to transform higher education to meet the demands of the 21st century, our nation's students and higher education as a whole will be better for it." [1]: https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/secretary-devos-delivers-nearly-14-billion-additional-cares-act-relief-funds-hbcus-minority-serving-institutions-and-colleges-and-universities-serving-low-income-students https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/secretary-devos-deliv...

by mola 6y ago

LeCow 6y ago

One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Trump is the first president in a long time that hasn't invaded a country. Sure he's authorised bombings, which president hasn't? But I can't remember the last time a president didn't put troops somewhere. Ironically he's getting a lot of hate for pulling out of Syria/Germany.

aokiji 6y ago

Actions speak louder than words. Obama did nothing to receive the prize but being a puppet of George Soros. Trump achieved something historical in the Middle East.

ThomPete 6y ago

You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.

metalliqaz 6y ago
Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?
- ThomPete 6y ago
  Why do you think Twitter is the right platform to measure that by?
  - metalliqaz 6y ago
    Because it's easiest to search. Please, explain to me how "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" is not divisive.
    - ThomPete 6y ago
      It easy to search but it doesn't have many of Trumps voters which makes it a useless platform to decide or measure whether Obama was divisive.
- shripadk 6y ago
  > Do you really want to start comparing the public record? Public record is what they did when they were both in office for the people of the United States. I would definitely compare the two because Trump will win hands down. You are wanting to compare the two Twitter accounts. Tweets don't feed people. Tweets don't solve issues. Tweets don't make policies. > Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Since you wanted to compare the two let us start with funding of Historically Black Colleges. Because a "racist" President would never increase funds for HBCUs. Instead, he would ensure that the funding is reduced. Obama in the first two years: $1.43B. Trump in first two years of his office: $1.58B [1]. "And even though we may not be able to fully trust numbers compiled by officials working under partisan directives, there are few budget outlines of any kind which suggest other than what too many of us fear; the guy we love to hate is showing historic love to historically black colleges." [1]: https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus-through-their-first-two-years/ https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus... “Oh, man … yesterday was great and historic. I’ve been around a long time and I’ve never seen so many black folks gathered in the Oval Office,” said Haynes, who was part of that photo opportunity. He also helped bring together the Trump administration and congressional leaders to discuss areas of collaboration between HBCUs and the federal government. “With this executive order, we will make HBCUs a priority in the White House — an absolute priority,” Trump said. “A lot of people are going to be angry that they’re not a priority, but that’s OK.” [2]: https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-order-on-hbcus/ https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-ord...
  - metalliqaz 6y ago
    you're living in a fantasy world, an absolute fantasy world, if you think Obama was more divisive than Trump. And I didn't say Trump was racist, I said that inclusive (rather than divisive) language angers racists. I think it's very telling that you interpreted that as "trump = racist" and jumped into action with unrelated talking points you just happened to have laying around. That's very shill-like behavior. Even though I think he probably is racist, I don't know for sure. What I do know for sure is that he intentionally uses rage-bait and wedge issues to divide the public for his own benefit. This is clear and obvious. That "evidence" up there is from a class of argumentation designed not to change anyone's mind, but to give supporters an excuse to put concerns of racism out of their head and stay with him. That's why you find it so convincing. you want to like him. Most of politics is like this. How can I tell? Well it's flimsy to anyone who cares to look. For example, the only numbers cited compare two values that are very similar (within 10%) but compare two period separated by 8 years, with the former during an bad economy that Obama inherited from Bush (and fixed) and the later during a good economy that Trump inherited from Obama (and destroyed). Also, as I'm sure you know, executive orders don't increase funding for anything. Congress does that. What Trump did is what he always does. Some purely-performative stunt that does no actual good and is just designed to grab headlines. Moving an advisory board into the White House is a death sentence, not a benefit. But of course none of this matters. Your tribe is your tribe, until death do you part. What you might want to consider is that your tribe will only survive if you cut out the cancer. I won't be responding further. Have a nice day, and try not to catch the 'rona.
- shripadk 6y ago
  > Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Now when Pandemic struck, Trump could have used it as an excuse to defund HBCUs right? That is what a racist would do. On the contrary, he delivered an additional $1.4 Billion through the CARES Act: "This Administration is committed to the success of HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions, and the students they serve. Each institution is unique and is an important part of this country's educational fabric," said Secretary DeVos. "By providing additional support to these important institutions, we can help ensure they emerge from this crisis stronger than before. I encourage these institutions, like all others, to use these funds to provide emergency grants to students during this challenging time, and to expand remote learning programs and build IT capacity. These are challenging times, but if we take this opportunity to transform higher education to meet the demands of the 21st century, our nation's students and higher education as a whole will be better for it." [1]: https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/secretary-devos-delivers-nearly-14-billion-additional-cares-act-relief-funds-hbcus-minority-serving-institutions-and-colleges-and-universities-serving-low-income-students https://www.ed.gov/news/press-releases/secretary-devos-deliv...