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No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

by contravariant 6y ago

kabouseng 6y ago
For example someone like Obama...?
- mola 6y ago
  When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his opposition ? Obama may not have been perfect but he was always respectful, always kept his cool. Comparing Trump's hateful rhetoric of his opposition to How obama conducted himself is a bad joke.
  - LeCow 6y ago
    One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Trump is the first president in a long time that hasn't invaded a country. Sure he's authorised bombings, which president hasn't? But I can't remember the last time a president didn't put troops somewhere. Ironically he's getting a lot of hate for pulling out of Syria/Germany.
  - aokiji 6y ago
    Actions speak louder than words. Obama did nothing to receive the prize but being a puppet of George Soros. Trump achieved something historical in the Middle East.
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.
    - metalliqaz 6y ago
      Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?
      - ThomPete 6y ago
        Why do you think Twitter is the right platform to measure that by?
        metalliqaz 6y ago
        Because it's easiest to search. Please, explain to me how "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" is not divisive.
        ThomPete 6y ago
        It easy to search but it doesn't have many of Trumps voters which makes it a useless platform to decide or measure whether Obama was divisive.
      - shripadk 6y ago
        > Do you really want to start comparing the public record? Public record is what they did when they were both in office for the people of the United States. I would definitely compare the two because Trump will win hands down. You are wanting to compare the two Twitter accounts. Tweets don't feed people. Tweets don't solve issues. Tweets don't make policies. > Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Since you wanted to compare the two let us start with funding of Historically Black Colleges. Because a "racist" President would never increase funds for HBCUs. Instead, he would ensure that the funding is reduced. Obama in the first two years: $1.43B. Trump in first two years of his office: $1.58B [1]. "And even though we may not be able to fully trust numbers compiled by officials working under partisan directives, there are few budget outlines of any kind which suggest other than what too many of us fear; the guy we love to hate is showing historic love to historically black colleges." [1]: https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus-through-their-first-two-years/ https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus... “Oh, man … yesterday was great and historic. I’ve been around a long time and I’ve never seen so many black folks gathered in the Oval Office,” said Haynes, who was part of that photo opportunity. He also helped bring together the Trump administration and congressional leaders to discuss areas of collaboration between HBCUs and the federal government. “With this executive order, we will make HBCUs a priority in the White House — an absolute priority,” Trump said. “A lot of people are going to be angry that they’re not a priority, but that’s OK.” [2]: https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-order-on-hbcus/ https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-ord...
- contravariant 6y ago
  Just because your politics only has 2 sides doesn't mean any criticism of one side is automatically in favour of the other.
not_a_moth 6y ago
Try listening to his addresses and speeches over the last couple years, and look at the policies he's implemented. Look at all the dishonest coverage, and yes his blunt way of talking doesn't help, but it's still hard not to conclude that the media is the primary source of him being considered divisive.
- person_of_color 6y ago
  Didn’t he call other countries shitholes?
- tinco 6y ago
  I've seen a bunch of his speeches and many if not most of his speeches made my blood boil and I don't even live in the US, I don't read/watch much US media and my local news though allegedly left leaning only reports factual news on him and US politics in general. Can you give an example of him being respectful or understanding of democrat policy or politicians?
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  The only way the media is making Trump look divisive is by reporting his words. He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists. He has called other countries shitholes. He has recognized the illegal move by Israel to have Jerusalem as their capital (one of the only countries in the world to do so!). He refuses to endorse BLM, one of the largest popular movements in decades, and has sent armed forces to crash peaceful protests. He has escalated deportations even more. He has continued and increased Obama's assassination programs in the middle east, even assassinating a high foreign dignitary on another country's soil. He has repeatedly downplayed and refused to manage the greatest medical and economic emergency in almost 100 years, with consequences that will be visible for the next 20 years.
  - crusso 6y ago
    He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists I'm not a fan of Trump's personality, but on HN, can't we be intellectually honest about politics? The statements above are not in fact what he said if you allow him any honest amount of context.
netcan 6y ago
Well.... Politicians like to be recognized as "great" and a the Nobel Peace Prize does appeal to many. Trump's desire is a good example. If you avoid controversial figures, you avoid using the prize as a motivator exactly where you need it. For example, Begin/Sadaat and Arafat/Rabin. The first peace worked out. The second one didn't. But, all four of these people led a pretty violent life as militaristic and nationalistic leaders. They're all extremely controversial in the middle east, and in their own countries. I definitely don't think avoiding divisive political figures is a good. thing. That said, I don't think he's earned one.

No matter what he did it's a bad idea to give the Nobel Peace Prize to someone so divisive.

kabouseng 6y ago

For example someone like Obama...?

mola 6y ago
When did obama say anything devisive? When did he actively intended to enflame tense situation? When did he say anything outright disrespectful to his opposition ? Obama may not have been perfect but he was always respectful, always kept his cool. Comparing Trump's hateful rhetoric of his opposition to How obama conducted himself is a bad joke.
- LeCow 6y ago
  One thing a lot of people don't realise is that Trump is the first president in a long time that hasn't invaded a country. Sure he's authorised bombings, which president hasn't? But I can't remember the last time a president didn't put troops somewhere. Ironically he's getting a lot of hate for pulling out of Syria/Germany.
- aokiji 6y ago
  Actions speak louder than words. Obama did nothing to receive the prize but being a puppet of George Soros. Trump achieved something historical in the Middle East.
- ThomPete 6y ago
  You din't find it divisive becauee you agree with a lot of what he says. A lot of people found it divisive and the result was Trump.
  - metalliqaz 6y ago
    Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Stop arguing in bad faith. Obama and Trump both have twitter accounts. Do you really want to start comparing the public record?
    - ThomPete 6y ago
      Why do you think Twitter is the right platform to measure that by?
      - metalliqaz 6y ago
        Because it's easiest to search. Please, explain to me how "LIBERATE MICHIGAN" is not divisive.
        ThomPete 6y ago
        It easy to search but it doesn't have many of Trumps voters which makes it a useless platform to decide or measure whether Obama was divisive.
    - shripadk 6y ago
      > Do you really want to start comparing the public record? Public record is what they did when they were both in office for the people of the United States. I would definitely compare the two because Trump will win hands down. You are wanting to compare the two Twitter accounts. Tweets don't feed people. Tweets don't solve issues. Tweets don't make policies. > Inclusive language does not stop being inclusive just because it angers racists. Since you wanted to compare the two let us start with funding of Historically Black Colleges. Because a "racist" President would never increase funds for HBCUs. Instead, he would ensure that the funding is reduced. Obama in the first two years: $1.43B. Trump in first two years of his office: $1.58B [1]. "And even though we may not be able to fully trust numbers compiled by officials working under partisan directives, there are few budget outlines of any kind which suggest other than what too many of us fear; the guy we love to hate is showing historic love to historically black colleges." [1]: https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus-through-their-first-two-years/ https://hbcudigest.com/obama-vs-trump-who-did-more-for-hbcus... “Oh, man … yesterday was great and historic. I’ve been around a long time and I’ve never seen so many black folks gathered in the Oval Office,” said Haynes, who was part of that photo opportunity. He also helped bring together the Trump administration and congressional leaders to discuss areas of collaboration between HBCUs and the federal government. “With this executive order, we will make HBCUs a priority in the White House — an absolute priority,” Trump said. “A lot of people are going to be angry that they’re not a priority, but that’s OK.” [2]: https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-order-on-hbcus/ https://theundefeated.com/features/trump-signs-executive-ord...
contravariant 6y ago
Just because your politics only has 2 sides doesn't mean any criticism of one side is automatically in favour of the other.

not_a_moth 6y ago

Try listening to his addresses and speeches over the last couple years, and look at the policies he's implemented. Look at all the dishonest coverage, and yes his blunt way of talking doesn't help, but it's still hard not to conclude that the media is the primary source of him being considered divisive.

person_of_color 6y ago
Didn’t he call other countries shitholes?
tinco 6y ago
I've seen a bunch of his speeches and many if not most of his speeches made my blood boil and I don't even live in the US, I don't read/watch much US media and my local news though allegedly left leaning only reports factual news on him and US politics in general. Can you give an example of him being respectful or understanding of democrat policy or politicians?
tsimionescu 6y ago
The only way the media is making Trump look divisive is by reporting his words. He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists. He has called other countries shitholes. He has recognized the illegal move by Israel to have Jerusalem as their capital (one of the only countries in the world to do so!). He refuses to endorse BLM, one of the largest popular movements in decades, and has sent armed forces to crash peaceful protests. He has escalated deportations even more. He has continued and increased Obama's assassination programs in the middle east, even assassinating a high foreign dignitary on another country's soil. He has repeatedly downplayed and refused to manage the greatest medical and economic emergency in almost 100 years, with consequences that will be visible for the next 20 years.
- crusso 6y ago
  He has called fascists good people. He has called Mexican immigrants rapists I'm not a fan of Trump's personality, but on HN, can't we be intellectually honest about politics? The statements above are not in fact what he said if you allow him any honest amount of context.

netcan 6y ago

Well.... Politicians like to be recognized as "great" and a the Nobel Peace Prize does appeal to many. Trump's desire is a good example. If you avoid controversial figures, you avoid using the prize as a motivator exactly where you need it. For example, Begin/Sadaat and Arafat/Rabin. The first peace worked out. The second one didn't. But, all four of these people led a pretty violent life as militaristic and nationalistic leaders. They're all extremely controversial in the middle east, and in their own countries. I definitely don't think avoiding divisive political figures is a good. thing. That said, I don't think he's earned one.