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It's strange to me how holding secular enlightenment values like the natural equality of all people is considered "puritanical" or "horrific". People want to s

It's strange to me how holding secular enlightenment values like the natural equality of all people is considered "puritanical" or "horrific". People want to support businesses that help create the society they expect. You can criticize, pointedly even, the way that Yelp proposes to enforce this policy; especially in light of their controversial business practices. But let's not put a blanket condemnation of acknowledging when businesses promote racism, or the desire to patronize other institutions.

manigandham 6y ago
"natural equality of all people" The vast majority of people everywhere agree with this. It's not exactly enlightenment values anymore. The issue is with people who think that they're morally superior for holding this view while they label everyone else with extremes.
- bigbubba 6y ago
  Can we then look forward to Yelp serving up 'this business is accused of being run by a white person' warnings?
ceilingcorner 6y ago
That isn’t the problem. The problem is relying on biased, unaccountable, dubious information for making such accusations...just like the Salem witch trials, the McCarthy anti-communist trials, etc. New social situation, same puritanical story. This is doubly a problem when words like racist have recently been redefined in ways that are impossible for the average person to keep up with.
- jszymborski 6y ago
  > You can criticize, pointedly even, the way that Yelp proposes to enforce this policy; especially in light of their controversial business practices. Like I said, criticize how they implement it. But I think it's evident how disingenuous your comparisons are by the examples you've chosen. Witchcraft, communism... neither are provable actions you can "commit". They are thought crimes. Racism is something you commit against a people or persons, is provably true.
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    Provable how? Video recording? Easily manipulated. First-hand accounts? Easily fabricated. Even then, what exactly are you proving? It is unclear what racism even means to this political faction, as we can tell with white silence is violence and similar slogans. Merely choosing to not repeat a political slogan is characterized as racism. As always, the proper solution is via actual legal channels and laws against discrimination, not a tech website that brands people. If a business is demonstrably racist, sue them and you’ll win in court. That’s how the legal system works.
    - content_sesh 6y ago
      As always, the proper solution is via actual legal channels and laws against libel, not dictating how a tech website should meet the needs of it's customers. If a business is demonstrably not racist, sue Yelp and the newspaper Yelp links to and they'll win in court. That's how the legal system works.
    - jszymborski 6y ago
      The idea that racism is a political slogan is truly sad, and I'm sorry for the world you feel that way.
      - ceilingcorner 6y ago
        Instead of offering holier-than-thou ‘I’m truly sorry for you’ dismissals, I suggest you do some research on the points I made. It is a very complex situation.
- mcosta 6y ago
  > This is doubly a problem when words like racist have recently been redefined in ways that are impossible for the average person to keep up with It is easy. If you are white, you are racist.

manigandham 6y ago

"natural equality of all people" The vast majority of people everywhere agree with this. It's not exactly enlightenment values anymore. The issue is with people who think that they're morally superior for holding this view while they label everyone else with extremes.

bigbubba 6y ago
Can we then look forward to Yelp serving up 'this business is accused of being run by a white person' warnings?

ceilingcorner 6y ago

That isn’t the problem. The problem is relying on biased, unaccountable, dubious information for making such accusations...just like the Salem witch trials, the McCarthy anti-communist trials, etc. New social situation, same puritanical story. This is doubly a problem when words like racist have recently been redefined in ways that are impossible for the average person to keep up with.

jszymborski 6y ago
> You can criticize, pointedly even, the way that Yelp proposes to enforce this policy; especially in light of their controversial business practices. Like I said, criticize how they implement it. But I think it's evident how disingenuous your comparisons are by the examples you've chosen. Witchcraft, communism... neither are provable actions you can "commit". They are thought crimes. Racism is something you commit against a people or persons, is provably true.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  Provable how? Video recording? Easily manipulated. First-hand accounts? Easily fabricated. Even then, what exactly are you proving? It is unclear what racism even means to this political faction, as we can tell with white silence is violence and similar slogans. Merely choosing to not repeat a political slogan is characterized as racism. As always, the proper solution is via actual legal channels and laws against discrimination, not a tech website that brands people. If a business is demonstrably racist, sue them and you’ll win in court. That’s how the legal system works.
  - content_sesh 6y ago
    As always, the proper solution is via actual legal channels and laws against libel, not dictating how a tech website should meet the needs of it's customers. If a business is demonstrably not racist, sue Yelp and the newspaper Yelp links to and they'll win in court. That's how the legal system works.
  - jszymborski 6y ago
    The idea that racism is a political slogan is truly sad, and I'm sorry for the world you feel that way.
    - ceilingcorner 6y ago
      Instead of offering holier-than-thou ‘I’m truly sorry for you’ dismissals, I suggest you do some research on the points I made. It is a very complex situation.
mcosta 6y ago
> This is doubly a problem when words like racist have recently been redefined in ways that are impossible for the average person to keep up with It is easy. If you are white, you are racist.