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"union bureaucrats that don’t do anything except complicate everyone’s lives" is an interesting assertion to make in this case where the union hasn't even had a

"union bureaucrats that don’t do anything except complicate everyone’s lives" is an interesting assertion to make in this case where the union hasn't even had an opportunity to do anything bad yet. Why does unionizing have to be treated as "hardball" if the union hasn't even made any demands yet? Does the status quo have to be "employees have to do what I want, no questions, even if it's illegal"? Lots of employer misbehavior is widespread in the US - wage theft, for one, is absolutely rampant - and unionizing is one possible option for combating it because it allows you to collectively bargain to resolve your grievances with the employer instead of dragging them into court or trying to get law enforcement to go after them. It's interesting to me that the mere act of unionizing is somehow justification for an employer to get out the baseball bat and go to town on your knees "because you took your benefits for granted". If things were really so good, why did they unionize?

remote_phone 6y ago
This is why you will never see a union in Silicon Valley software company. The benefits are great and unions are unnecessary. I’m sure there are other places where unions are absolutely a necessity but not in a software company in Silicon Valley.
- tclancy 6y ago
  Nope, this is what dopes everywhere think. It’s scary to ask for more, so you assume you’re getting a fair slice of the pie and never even bother to ask to see the whole thing, much less ask for more. This is the same thought that complains about pro athletes holding out for more millions while never considering how their sport makes billions.
- dehrmann 6y ago
  > This is why you will never see a union in Silicon Valley software company This is less true than it used to be; the Valley has been feeling more progressive and less libertarian for a while. I'm not sure if it's because the field is growing up, so it attracts fewer disrupt-the-world types, shifting generational values, shifting cultural values, more influence from SF and the tech scene moved north, the pendulum swinging back as people see the consequences of tech, or something else. That said, as long as it's a competitive job market in tech, I agree that seeing a union isn't likely because there isn't a clear benefit.

remote_phone 6y ago

This is why you will never see a union in Silicon Valley software company. The benefits are great and unions are unnecessary. I’m sure there are other places where unions are absolutely a necessity but not in a software company in Silicon Valley.

tclancy 6y ago
Nope, this is what dopes everywhere think. It’s scary to ask for more, so you assume you’re getting a fair slice of the pie and never even bother to ask to see the whole thing, much less ask for more. This is the same thought that complains about pro athletes holding out for more millions while never considering how their sport makes billions.
dehrmann 6y ago
> This is why you will never see a union in Silicon Valley software company This is less true than it used to be; the Valley has been feeling more progressive and less libertarian for a while. I'm not sure if it's because the field is growing up, so it attracts fewer disrupt-the-world types, shifting generational values, shifting cultural values, more influence from SF and the tech scene moved north, the pendulum swinging back as people see the consequences of tech, or something else. That said, as long as it's a competitive job market in tech, I agree that seeing a union isn't likely because there isn't a clear benefit.