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Not a single individual could shape policy without it being driven by what you listed not even if they explicitly wanted to. The actual matter at hand is hidden

by coretx 6y ago

Not a single individual could shape policy without it being driven by what you listed not even if they explicitly wanted to. The actual matter at hand is hidden in the second echelon who is responsible for (pre) selecting / making people decisionmakers. They don't go for the honest guy and neither the one who provides the best scientific proof for whatever needs to be decided. They rather go with the dirty rat who consistently shows to know how to book tangible results. It is this success that people desire to be associated with and it trumps everything else. ( And this statement is written by someone with 15+ years of experiences with proof based decission making on both a national and supranational level. )

diabeticApe 6y ago
Yes. I share your concern but its becoming apparent that the current state of affairs is breaking down. People are too smart they're seeing through the b.s. more and more by the day, and they're pissed. So what do we do now?
- coretx 6y ago
  Step one is to NOT repeat the cycle. Einstein once said something about trying the same thing twice. Step two is the application of specialized, temporary but powerful guerrilla politics while we try to figure out what Step 3 ought to be. Just don't underestimate the power of step one in large numbers.
  - diabeticApe 6y ago
    Well my suggestion is that instead of waiting around and crossing our fingers that everything will work out, we just figure step 3. Because otherwise someone else will and they probably wont give two shits about any of us if it interferes with thier incentives.
    - coretx 6y ago
      If you figured out step 3 and still think that a more swift party could have rendered you susceptible to the threat described, it is highly likely step 3 in fact was not really figured out while probably failing to incorporate step one while being at it. Although this has been written somewhat frivolously I did not make a joke when trying to convey the importance of Not repeating the cycle. But if some choose to not heed this warning, please let them setup a political party diametrically opposing what they desire only to sabotage the very same party covertly. Or as Lenin once said, the best way to deal with opposition is to lead it. This way at least some of your energy will lead to results.

by coretx 6y ago

diabeticApe 6y ago

Yes. I share your concern but its becoming apparent that the current state of affairs is breaking down. People are too smart they're seeing through the b.s. more and more by the day, and they're pissed. So what do we do now?

coretx 6y ago
Step one is to NOT repeat the cycle. Einstein once said something about trying the same thing twice. Step two is the application of specialized, temporary but powerful guerrilla politics while we try to figure out what Step 3 ought to be. Just don't underestimate the power of step one in large numbers.
- diabeticApe 6y ago
  Well my suggestion is that instead of waiting around and crossing our fingers that everything will work out, we just figure step 3. Because otherwise someone else will and they probably wont give two shits about any of us if it interferes with thier incentives.
  - coretx 6y ago
    If you figured out step 3 and still think that a more swift party could have rendered you susceptible to the threat described, it is highly likely step 3 in fact was not really figured out while probably failing to incorporate step one while being at it. Although this has been written somewhat frivolously I did not make a joke when trying to convey the importance of Not repeating the cycle. But if some choose to not heed this warning, please let them setup a political party diametrically opposing what they desire only to sabotage the very same party covertly. Or as Lenin once said, the best way to deal with opposition is to lead it. This way at least some of your energy will lead to results.