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you know they literally snatched innocent people off the street right? calling them criminals isn't just a stretch it's propaganda.

waheoo 6y ago
Its not propaganda, cut that double speak shit out. They knew exactly what they were doing. The fact they act up when they get remotely held accountable doesn't change that. It just makes them naive enough to think the law is on their side. Its not, and most people want them to just fucking stop.
ogre_codes 6y ago
Kind of makes me wonder if the whole purpose of snatching those people was to get physical access to their phones for surveillance.
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Oh please. There is now over 100 days of videos of them attacking federal buildings and lighting the fucking mayor’s condo building on fire. The lasers they are shining into police eyes are powerful enough to ignite a piece of paper. That’s instant permanent eye damage if you get hit. You either have no idea what is actually going on or you’re spreading propaganda. This is a violent unhinged mob of proud antifa anarchists (and before some ignorant person says antifa is “an idea”, Portland antifa has their own website and wikipedia article - look up Rose City Antifa). Knock it off. They openly espouse their beliefs that property should be destroyed and that anyone opposing them is fair game for violence.
- snypher 6y ago
  I live in Portland. You need to spend less time on the internet.
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    Sounds like you might be the one who needs to go out then, because this is happening there, and I’ve seen it. Many Portlanders are still in denial about this, including the insane mayoral candidate who openly supports antifa and wears a Joseph Stalin skirt (and has a double digit lead in the polls!). I assume this is because they don’t go downtown at night and they buy the propaganda. Shit, a shockingly high percentage seem to not realize that the “damage is caused by undercover white supremacists” lie has been thoroughly debunked and are completely ignorant as to what is happening in their own city.
  - jonnyone 6y ago
    I mean, there were livestreams nightly for weeks of people throwing fireworks, molotov cocktails, and generally trying to attack and destroy a courthouse (a federal building). No editing, no overarching narrator, just live raw footage night after night. How does your proximity to the situation change that?
thinkingemote 6y ago
Most were arrested after a riot had been declared and folks were ordered to leave. Arresting them was not illegal and they were breaking the law. However, 2 points: as most district attorneys showed, people who were just there and didn't do anything were not prosecuted and so shouldn't really have been arrested. Secondly the declarations of a riot could be wrong, but at the time being in a riot was a crime. But let's ignore all that for a moment. Propaganda. 'innocent people being snatched off the streets..' (...in unmarked vans) Implies that the feds and local police are routinely illegally kidnapping peaceful protestors across the country. The truth is that this happened in one street in one city on one night only to less than a handful of protesters, still prortesting once a riot had been declared by uniformed feds in one unmarked van at the same time as uniformed feds in marked vans were doing the same thing a few yards away. That leads me to think that this small event has been turned into a propaganda story..it's a classic example. in groups think the out group believes propaganda and that we in the ingroup are immune to it. Don't believe the hype.

waheoo 6y ago

Its not propaganda, cut that double speak shit out. They knew exactly what they were doing. The fact they act up when they get remotely held accountable doesn't change that. It just makes them naive enough to think the law is on their side. Its not, and most people want them to just fucking stop.

ogre_codes 6y ago

Kind of makes me wonder if the whole purpose of snatching those people was to get physical access to their phones for surveillance.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

Oh please. There is now over 100 days of videos of them attacking federal buildings and lighting the fucking mayor’s condo building on fire. The lasers they are shining into police eyes are powerful enough to ignite a piece of paper. That’s instant permanent eye damage if you get hit. You either have no idea what is actually going on or you’re spreading propaganda. This is a violent unhinged mob of proud antifa anarchists (and before some ignorant person says antifa is “an idea”, Portland antifa has their own website and wikipedia article - look up Rose City Antifa). Knock it off. They openly espouse their beliefs that property should be destroyed and that anyone opposing them is fair game for violence.

snypher 6y ago
I live in Portland. You need to spend less time on the internet.
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  Sounds like you might be the one who needs to go out then, because this is happening there, and I’ve seen it. Many Portlanders are still in denial about this, including the insane mayoral candidate who openly supports antifa and wears a Joseph Stalin skirt (and has a double digit lead in the polls!). I assume this is because they don’t go downtown at night and they buy the propaganda. Shit, a shockingly high percentage seem to not realize that the “damage is caused by undercover white supremacists” lie has been thoroughly debunked and are completely ignorant as to what is happening in their own city.
- jonnyone 6y ago
  I mean, there were livestreams nightly for weeks of people throwing fireworks, molotov cocktails, and generally trying to attack and destroy a courthouse (a federal building). No editing, no overarching narrator, just live raw footage night after night. How does your proximity to the situation change that?

thinkingemote 6y ago

Most were arrested after a riot had been declared and folks were ordered to leave. Arresting them was not illegal and they were breaking the law. However, 2 points: as most district attorneys showed, people who were just there and didn't do anything were not prosecuted and so shouldn't really have been arrested. Secondly the declarations of a riot could be wrong, but at the time being in a riot was a crime. But let's ignore all that for a moment. Propaganda. 'innocent people being snatched off the streets..' (...in unmarked vans) Implies that the feds and local police are routinely illegally kidnapping peaceful protestors across the country. The truth is that this happened in one street in one city on one night only to less than a handful of protesters, still prortesting once a riot had been declared by uniformed feds in one unmarked van at the same time as uniformed feds in marked vans were doing the same thing a few yards away. That leads me to think that this small event has been turned into a propaganda story..it's a classic example. in groups think the out group believes propaganda and that we in the ingroup are immune to it. Don't believe the hype.