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I've found https://web.ground.news/ https://web.ground.news/ to be quite illuminating as far as gaslighting on both sides of the political aisle is concerned. O

by m0zg 6y ago

I've found https://web.ground.news/ https://web.ground.news/ to be quite illuminating as far as gaslighting on both sides of the political aisle is concerned. Observation: liberal outlets are able to enforce complete suppression of even slightly unfavorable news (e.g. China censoring Pence's remarks on China during the VP debate). Conservative ones will often publish unfavorable news just to rile up the audience.

vinay427 6y ago
How does this change if we consider the truth levels of the facts that these media outlets report? I see no reason why several remarks from the VP debate, in this instance, should be reported as reality. This is probably true on both sides but to varying degrees.
- m0zg 6y ago
  The goal here is not to expose truth per se, the goal is to merely to expose the underlying agendas by highlighting the topics the sides prefer to highlight or avoid in their version of what they consider "reality". That, and perhaps also provide exposure to opinions outside the bubble, for people concerned that their reality might not be entirely real, irrespective of affiliation. The bubbles are stronger than they've ever been. You can't break out of them without making a deliberate effort.
coolgeek 6y ago
First off, China censoring anything is a "dog bites man" story. It happens all the time. It's not news to anybody with half a clue about what's going on. Second, what's your reasoning for why "liberal" outlets might be doing this? Who are they "protecting"? What are they protecting them from? Are they beholden (financially, or ideologically) to the CCP?
- m0zg 6y ago
  They're protecting the DNC candidates, that much is obvious. In this particular case this highlights the different stance on China between the incumbent and the contender administrations. Both Harris and Biden have deep ties with China. Harris through her husband, Biden through his crackhead son. So you could indeed say that both are "beholden to the CCP". The Chinese are not stupid, they don't give just any crackhead $1.5B to "manage".
  - coolgeek 6y ago
    So, how does Ivanka Trump's Chinese trademarks play into your theory? > The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 election https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/#732c623e1d60 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-tr... And since you insist in injecting illegal drugs into the conversation, is Cocaine Mitch McConnell beholden to China through his wife/in-laws?
    - m0zg 6y ago
      Anybody can trademark anything. And you have to _pay_ to register a trademark, not _get paid millions_ like Hunter Biden. Also, best I can tell Trump is the first president in 30 years that's not selling out the country to China.

by m0zg 6y ago

vinay427 6y ago

How does this change if we consider the truth levels of the facts that these media outlets report? I see no reason why several remarks from the VP debate, in this instance, should be reported as reality. This is probably true on both sides but to varying degrees.

m0zg 6y ago
The goal here is not to expose truth per se, the goal is to merely to expose the underlying agendas by highlighting the topics the sides prefer to highlight or avoid in their version of what they consider "reality". That, and perhaps also provide exposure to opinions outside the bubble, for people concerned that their reality might not be entirely real, irrespective of affiliation. The bubbles are stronger than they've ever been. You can't break out of them without making a deliberate effort.

coolgeek 6y ago

First off, China censoring anything is a "dog bites man" story. It happens all the time. It's not news to anybody with half a clue about what's going on. Second, what's your reasoning for why "liberal" outlets might be doing this? Who are they "protecting"? What are they protecting them from? Are they beholden (financially, or ideologically) to the CCP?

m0zg 6y ago
They're protecting the DNC candidates, that much is obvious. In this particular case this highlights the different stance on China between the incumbent and the contender administrations. Both Harris and Biden have deep ties with China. Harris through her husband, Biden through his crackhead son. So you could indeed say that both are "beholden to the CCP". The Chinese are not stupid, they don't give just any crackhead $1.5B to "manage".
- coolgeek 6y ago
  So, how does Ivanka Trump's Chinese trademarks play into your theory? > The Chinese government granted a total of 41 trademarks to companies linked to Ivanka Trump by April of 2019—and the trademarks she applied for after her father became president got approved about 40% faster than those she requested before Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 election https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/#732c623e1d60 https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-tr... And since you insist in injecting illegal drugs into the conversation, is Cocaine Mitch McConnell beholden to China through his wife/in-laws?
  - m0zg 6y ago
    Anybody can trademark anything. And you have to _pay_ to register a trademark, not _get paid millions_ like Hunter Biden. Also, best I can tell Trump is the first president in 30 years that's not selling out the country to China.