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I'm not sure why this news isn't getting more traction. Another example of Apple having too much control over iOS app distribution and why sideloading should b

I'm not sure why this news isn't getting more traction. Another example of Apple having too much control over iOS app distribution and why sideloading should be allowed.

zepto 6y ago
Probably because it’s false. Apple didn’t ask for the channels to be closed. Just the doxing posts. That seems a lot more reasonable.
- nvrspyx 6y ago
  As far as I know, they've requested Telegram to take down 3 channels. Doxing was simply what the channels were being used for. Specifically, doxing their oppressors.
  - zepto 6y ago
    As far as I can see they didn’t ask Telegram to take down the channels. Just the individual doxing messages. As for ‘doxing the oppressors’, three law enforcement officers were indivually targeted. Sure they are part of an oppressive system, but so are many other people.
    - sthnblllII 6y ago
      We must liberate the people of the world from their non-US backed oppressors so that they may be replaced with US-controlled ones like Pinochet The Shah and Saddam (until he went rogue)
      - dang 6y ago
        You've been breaking the site guidelines badly by using HN for ideological flamewar. We ban this sort of account, so please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - sam_lowry_ 6y ago
      There are channels dedicated to publishing information about members of state-run gangs, e.g. https://t.me/belarusassholes https://t.me/belarusassholes Deleting their messages means deleting the entire contents of channels.
    - madaxe_again 6y ago
      And what’s the problem? They are oppressors, voluntarily working for an oppressive system. Nobody forced them to beat up old women on the street - they chose to do that. Given that there will be no legal consequences for their brutal acts, why should they not be targeted? Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice?
      - lightgreen 6y ago
        The problem is that it is not for Apple to decide who are oppressors and who are freedom fighters. Their have simple rules: no doxxing. It is not black and white case. > Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice? Exactly because Apple is not in charge of justice, they apply these rules equally to everybody.
        madaxe_again 6y ago
        Interesting, so they don’t sell any hardware to the Belarusian government for use in surveillance, communications, and oppression? It sounds like their stance is to be amoral, with no purpose other than to enhance shareholder value, even if it comes at the cost of human suffering. Ah, that would be a corporation.
        lightgreen 6y ago
        If they allowed this channel to continue existing, that would be bad precedent, for example, tomorrow they would have to allow some other channel doxxing US police officers for racism or something. I think Apple moderating Telegram is bad, but if moderation exists, closing this channel is a consistent thing to do for them. Same rules apply to everybody: no doxxing allowed, and Apple does not decide who is terrorist, and who is freedom fighter.
        madaxe_again 6y ago
        Surely international law should decide that, and right now the international community very clearly sees the Lukashenko regime as the bad guys - they have been sanctioned, not the protestors. If the US government is sanctioned and called illegitimate internationally, then again, doxxing those oppressors is fair game. It’s either that or you let it fester into a shooting war, which is admittedly far more profitable than civil unrest. So actually, Apple is helping out international criminals, against international precedent.
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- Dahoon 6y ago
  It isn't false. They demand content moderation in a way that can only be done by removing the channel.
- fsflover 6y ago
  How can you avoid closing channels if revealing the identities of oppressors is why these channels exist?
9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago
Apple will waive the rainbow flag and for the privileged SV codebros it's good enough
- dzhiurgis 6y ago
  Yeah it seems Apple still riding closet gay wave 40 years later.

I'm not sure why this news isn't getting more traction. Another example of Apple having too much control over iOS app distribution and why sideloading should be allowed.

zepto 6y ago

Probably because it’s false. Apple didn’t ask for the channels to be closed. Just the doxing posts. That seems a lot more reasonable.

nvrspyx 6y ago
As far as I know, they've requested Telegram to take down 3 channels. Doxing was simply what the channels were being used for. Specifically, doxing their oppressors.
- zepto 6y ago
  As far as I can see they didn’t ask Telegram to take down the channels. Just the individual doxing messages. As for ‘doxing the oppressors’, three law enforcement officers were indivually targeted. Sure they are part of an oppressive system, but so are many other people.
  - sthnblllII 6y ago
    We must liberate the people of the world from their non-US backed oppressors so that they may be replaced with US-controlled ones like Pinochet The Shah and Saddam (until he went rogue)
    - dang 6y ago
      You've been breaking the site guidelines badly by using HN for ideological flamewar. We ban this sort of account, so please stop. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - sam_lowry_ 6y ago
    There are channels dedicated to publishing information about members of state-run gangs, e.g. https://t.me/belarusassholes https://t.me/belarusassholes Deleting their messages means deleting the entire contents of channels.
  - madaxe_again 6y ago
    And what’s the problem? They are oppressors, voluntarily working for an oppressive system. Nobody forced them to beat up old women on the street - they chose to do that. Given that there will be no legal consequences for their brutal acts, why should they not be targeted? Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice?
    - lightgreen 6y ago
      The problem is that it is not for Apple to decide who are oppressors and who are freedom fighters. Their have simple rules: no doxxing. It is not black and white case. > Or do you think that we should put corporations in charge of criminal justice? Exactly because Apple is not in charge of justice, they apply these rules equally to everybody.
      - madaxe_again 6y ago
        Interesting, so they don’t sell any hardware to the Belarusian government for use in surveillance, communications, and oppression? It sounds like their stance is to be amoral, with no purpose other than to enhance shareholder value, even if it comes at the cost of human suffering. Ah, that would be a corporation.
        lightgreen 6y ago
        If they allowed this channel to continue existing, that would be bad precedent, for example, tomorrow they would have to allow some other channel doxxing US police officers for racism or something. I think Apple moderating Telegram is bad, but if moderation exists, closing this channel is a consistent thing to do for them. Same rules apply to everybody: no doxxing allowed, and Apple does not decide who is terrorist, and who is freedom fighter.
        madaxe_again 6y ago
        Surely international law should decide that, and right now the international community very clearly sees the Lukashenko regime as the bad guys - they have been sanctioned, not the protestors. If the US government is sanctioned and called illegitimate internationally, then again, doxxing those oppressors is fair game. It’s either that or you let it fester into a shooting war, which is admittedly far more profitable than civil unrest. So actually, Apple is helping out international criminals, against international precedent.
  - deleted 6y ago
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Dahoon 6y ago
It isn't false. They demand content moderation in a way that can only be done by removing the channel.
fsflover 6y ago
How can you avoid closing channels if revealing the identities of oppressors is why these channels exist?

9HZZRfNlpR 6y ago

Apple will waive the rainbow flag and for the privileged SV codebros it's good enough

dzhiurgis 6y ago
Yeah it seems Apple still riding closet gay wave 40 years later.