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Oh hey, I just posted something similar I built, earlier today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720482 It

by jabo 6y ago

Oh hey, I just posted something similar I built, earlier today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720482 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24720482 It focuses only on searching through the candidates’ speeches, shown in a side-by-side format. My thinking was that with all the divisive misinformation making their rounds these days, hearing what both candidates have said first-hand on the same topic presented in a side-by-side format, could help inform people of all perspectives in an unbiased way. I use data indexed on a Typesense server though, not Google site search.

jabo 6y ago
Separately, I’ve found this site to do a good job of aggregating news from all sides and presenting them with a media bias rating (left, center or right), which I’ve found helpful: https://www.allsides.com/ https://www.allsides.com/ Where do you get your media bias ratings from?
- siquick 6y ago
  Anyone know of a similar site that is not so US focused?
- Vaslo 6y ago
  Thanks for posting this AllSides site. This is one of the best and most honest segmentations I’ve seen. Often other sites set a news org like CNN as the center and then go from there, which doesn’t make much sense. Allsides call NPR “center” which I completely disagree with but still much more honest compared to others.
  - jabo 6y ago
    The cool thing about AllSides is that if you disagree with a bias rating, you can give them that feedback. They use votes from readers to keep the media bias ratings updated.
  - root_axis 6y ago
    Notice that "NPR News" is segmented out from "NPR Opinion" which does appear in the least left column. Personally, I'd say that's a very accurate description.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  I found Allsides to be extremely biased. In their media bias "analysis" https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBiasChart-Version3.jpg https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBi... they claim that NPR and The Hill and BBC are dead center. That's 100% false. These are all quite far left, especially BBC.
  - anon73044 6y ago
    NPR and BBC both report imperialist talking points of their respective governments as fact without the slightest hint of criticism. Far left would be Democracy Now, Jacobin, Mother Jones, The Nation, etc.
    - strken 6y ago
      The BBC is vocally critical of imperialism[0], at least on a surface level. I always considered their opinion pieces centre-left (e.g. "bootlicking apologists" rather than "hidebound reactionaries") even when I was on the far left running around with wannabe revolutionary socialists. When it comes to that, the WSJ news section is arguably closer to centre-right than AP or Reuters. I think there are a microcosm of tiny complexities within the categories. [0] e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zgh9ycw/revision/3 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zgh9ycw/revision/3
      - rsynnott 6y ago
        > The BBC is vocally critical of imperialism[0], at least on a surface level. I'm not sure that's a left/right issue, unless it happens to be the 1950s (there are some surviving imperialists on the right, and ~none on the left, but I wouldn't expect the _average_ Tory voter to be too gung-ho about how great the empire was...) Also, that site is a GCSE revision site; I think that's just the history curriculum. And nothing seems particularly over-critical on the page you linked.
      - pjc50 6y ago
        As the sibling comment says, the bitesize revision is based on the National Curriculum: i.e. it's the state's own version of its history. Not exactly a hotbed of radicalism.
- emodendroket 6y ago
  I don't really find the very reductive model of left, center, or right as that helpful. I find the most useful strategy mixing in some "non-mainstream" sources like RT, CGTN, Telesur, PressTV, etc., that are coming at the news from the a totally different perspective. Of course they have an angle, and sometimes it's rather crudely presented, but if your spectrum is Fox News to MSNBC they've also got a lot of shared assumptions you might otherwise not think about. But this gets back to my point; you could think about it from different axes like geopolitical ones, closeness to military/intelligence sources, and so on, in addition to favored political party. Even if we're going pretty narrow, I think you might see pretty different ideas from, say, the American Conservative and the Daily Caller, even though they're both conservative publications.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  there's also https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ I like that it rates "factual accuracy" on a separate axis than "bias". If factual accuracy is "high" or greater, then any remaining difference in bias can potentially just be attributed to values/tastes, and "de gustibus non est disputandum"
  - chris_f 6y ago
    Yeah, the MBFC site isn't as 'polished' as AllSides, but they have a lot more sites covered and overall I think their rankings are better (I know that is very subjective though).
raghavtoshniwal 6y ago
Hey, I saw your submission minutes after I posted mine. Quite the co-incidence! I really like what you did. I too struggled with “splitting” the screen on mobile. My current solution is a little janky.

by jabo 6y ago

jabo 6y ago

Separately, I’ve found this site to do a good job of aggregating news from all sides and presenting them with a media bias rating (left, center or right), which I’ve found helpful: https://www.allsides.com/ https://www.allsides.com/ Where do you get your media bias ratings from?

siquick 6y ago
Anyone know of a similar site that is not so US focused?
Vaslo 6y ago
Thanks for posting this AllSides site. This is one of the best and most honest segmentations I’ve seen. Often other sites set a news org like CNN as the center and then go from there, which doesn’t make much sense. Allsides call NPR “center” which I completely disagree with but still much more honest compared to others.
- jabo 6y ago
  The cool thing about AllSides is that if you disagree with a bias rating, you can give them that feedback. They use votes from readers to keep the media bias ratings updated.
- root_axis 6y ago
  Notice that "NPR News" is segmented out from "NPR Opinion" which does appear in the least left column. Personally, I'd say that's a very accurate description.
bufferoverflow 6y ago
I found Allsides to be extremely biased. In their media bias "analysis" https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBiasChart-Version3.jpg https://www.allsides.com/sites/default/files/AllSidesMediaBi... they claim that NPR and The Hill and BBC are dead center. That's 100% false. These are all quite far left, especially BBC.
- anon73044 6y ago
  NPR and BBC both report imperialist talking points of their respective governments as fact without the slightest hint of criticism. Far left would be Democracy Now, Jacobin, Mother Jones, The Nation, etc.
  - strken 6y ago
    The BBC is vocally critical of imperialism[0], at least on a surface level. I always considered their opinion pieces centre-left (e.g. "bootlicking apologists" rather than "hidebound reactionaries") even when I was on the far left running around with wannabe revolutionary socialists. When it comes to that, the WSJ news section is arguably closer to centre-right than AP or Reuters. I think there are a microcosm of tiny complexities within the categories. [0] e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zgh9ycw/revision/3 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zgh9ycw/revision/3
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      > The BBC is vocally critical of imperialism[0], at least on a surface level. I'm not sure that's a left/right issue, unless it happens to be the 1950s (there are some surviving imperialists on the right, and ~none on the left, but I wouldn't expect the _average_ Tory voter to be too gung-ho about how great the empire was...) Also, that site is a GCSE revision site; I think that's just the history curriculum. And nothing seems particularly over-critical on the page you linked.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      As the sibling comment says, the bitesize revision is based on the National Curriculum: i.e. it's the state's own version of its history. Not exactly a hotbed of radicalism.
emodendroket 6y ago
I don't really find the very reductive model of left, center, or right as that helpful. I find the most useful strategy mixing in some "non-mainstream" sources like RT, CGTN, Telesur, PressTV, etc., that are coming at the news from the a totally different perspective. Of course they have an angle, and sometimes it's rather crudely presented, but if your spectrum is Fox News to MSNBC they've also got a lot of shared assumptions you might otherwise not think about. But this gets back to my point; you could think about it from different axes like geopolitical ones, closeness to military/intelligence sources, and so on, in addition to favored political party. Even if we're going pretty narrow, I think you might see pretty different ideas from, say, the American Conservative and the Daily Caller, even though they're both conservative publications.
pmarreck 6y ago
there's also https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ I like that it rates "factual accuracy" on a separate axis than "bias". If factual accuracy is "high" or greater, then any remaining difference in bias can potentially just be attributed to values/tastes, and "de gustibus non est disputandum"
- chris_f 6y ago
  Yeah, the MBFC site isn't as 'polished' as AllSides, but they have a lot more sites covered and overall I think their rankings are better (I know that is very subjective though).

raghavtoshniwal 6y ago

Hey, I saw your submission minutes after I posted mine. Quite the co-incidence! I really like what you did. I too struggled with “splitting” the screen on mobile. My current solution is a little janky.