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Alternatively, if you see a resume with Coinbase through 2020-2021, that person probably prefers the opposite, which may also be seen in a positive or negative

Alternatively, if you see a resume with Coinbase through 2020-2021, that person probably prefers the opposite, which may also be seen in a positive or negative light, depending on your stance.

libria 6y ago
It signals that a person did not want to be politically active at their workplace enough to lose/quit their job. I think that says nothing of a persons political views and is just self-preservation or even indifference. Hiring would have to make some very tenuous assumptions to consider that a signal.
- jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
  > I think that says nothing of a persons political views Rubbish - we all know what type of political activism is tearing these companies apart and we all know what political views are the only ones that can be safely expressed.
- lazyasciiart 6y ago
  Indifference to politics is a political view.
  - dlivingston 6y ago
    No, it is not. Politics apathy is present across all races, all classes, all genders. Those who are politically possessed like to claim that “everything is politics” and that “it’s a privilege to not care about politics”, but every Hispanic and Filipino immigrant I’ve known (which is not a negligible number) care about family, hard work, and stability: not politics.
    - throwaway4715 6y ago
      How does one ensure "stability" without getting involved in politics?
      - jimmygrapes 6y ago
        Possibly by observing the actual changes implemented and interpreting them in their own context (i.e. IRS changes tax forms, but all the numbers stay the same when filling it out). Not being convinced that their fundamental right to attempt existence is threatened by imaginary what-ifs.
      - username90 6y ago
        Getting involved in politics makes your life more unstable, which is why mostly privileged people engage in it. For example extremely few people from below median homes are politically active in USA, while home owners are among the most active. Ergo people are mostly politically active to defend their privileges and not to fix injustices. I'm not sure how anyone can think that being politically active would make your life more stable. Edit: An example of this is that black people are much less likely to vote than white people. Is this because black people support the status quo while white people want to change things? No, it is because black people don't have the time and energy to spare to vote. And no, this isn't about voting disenfranchisement, black people are less likely to vote even in very blue states.
      - tshaddox 6y ago
        One way might be to stigmatize or ban discussion of politics.
      - war1025 6y ago
        To quote a recent Tyler Childers song[1], by "tucking our tails as we try to abide" Stability isn't about dominance, stability is about being uninteresting enough not to get your teeth kicked in. [1] https://genius.com/Tyler-childers-long-violent-history-lyrics https://genius.com/Tyler-childers-long-violent-history-lyric...
    - lazyasciiart 6y ago
      I'm not sure why an opinion being commonly held across race/class/gender would make it not political. Your statement that the immigrants you know care about x and y and not politics doesn't actually make sense in response to the concept 'everything is political'. You are responding from the perspective that politics means elections, or some similarly narrow set of topics. But 'everything is political' explicitly rejects that perspective. It means that a Filipino immigrant thinking about whether their uncle and cousins will be able to visit them is political because it's harder for them to get a visa than my English cousins. It means that a Hispanic immigrant talking to her friend in a restaurant after dropping the kids at school should not risk being detained by ICE because speaking Spanish makes some dropkick immigration officer decide they must be illegal immigrants, which happened in Montana.
    - colinmhayes 6y ago
      I don't see how this refutes anything. Plenty of people from all races, classes, and genders make the political decision to avoid politics.
  - kmonsen 6y ago
    Staying in a job and supporting yourself and you family for a temporary time doing a normal job is not indifference. It is putting food on the table, perhaps literally.
    - lazyasciiart 6y ago
      I agree. I think you may have meant to address this to the comment that I was replying to.
      - kmonsen 6y ago
        I misunderstood you, but I probably read it wrong. Super tired today. Thank you for clarifying.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    If it is a political view, then it is such a common political view as to be banal. A whole lot of people in the world are actively indifferent to politics. Those apolitical people vastly outnumber all the hyper political "your with us or against us" group.
- tshaddox 6y ago
  It's probably not a great signal for anything. How many Coinbase employees leave the company in an average month? And how much did this severance offer cause would-be future departures to cluster in October to take advantage of the payout?
sprt 6y ago
Which, as your parent seems to not realize, is also a political stance. This dichotomy is exactly what MLK refers to in the Letter from a Bermingham Jail (i.e. positive vs negative peace).
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  What does this mean? If this is yet another “if you’re not for us you’re against us” argument (e.g. if you don’t discuss police violence in the workplace then you necessarily support police violence), then this is false on its face. If this means “the decision to not discuss politics—especially politics unrelated to one’s work—at work is itself a political decision” then fine, but what’s the point? Is the idea that it’s a self-inconsistent position? If so, how? One can discuss even the policy not to discuss politics at work without discussing e.g. police violence.
  - Pils 6y ago
    one inconsistency is that Coinbase is based in SF. Would you consider "sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep due to police sound grenades going off until 3am" a political statement?
    - throwaway894345 6y ago
      > one inconsistency is that Coinbase is based in SF That's not an inconsistency. > Would you consider "sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep due to police sound grenades going off until 3am" a political statement? No, of course not.
      - Pils 6y ago
        > > Would you consider "sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep due to police sound grenades going off until 3am" a political statement? > No, of course not. Awesome. So it follows that you would have no issue then with a coworker stating: "Police activity in SF has negatively impacted my ability to do work". Congratulations, you have a significantly broader definition of acceptable workplace speech than Coinbase.
BurningFrog 6y ago
And so the sorting into apolitical and leftist companies can begin! It's probably for the best.
- arawnx 6y ago
  Isn't it interesting that the crowd fighting for liberation & equity are mysteriously up against... the apolitical crowd? When the dichotomy is ethical realism vs. pragmatism, you have to ask yourself who's actually operating like a religion, who's actually a dogmatist in liberator's clothing.
  - booleandilemma 6y ago
    Nah. I’m one of the “apolitical” crowd. I have all sorts of weird, controversial opinions, but I simply leave them at the door and do the job I’m paid to do.
    - tayo42 6y ago
      What if that job conflicts with your opinions or morals?
  - AgentME 6y ago
    Most people don't worry about all aspects of the world's problems, and many people find themselves convinced that the status quo is more comfortable than the alternative. It's not at all surprising to me that a lot of political issues would have a "thought about it, realized the problems, and trying to fix it" position and a "apolitical, don't like thinking about it, don't want to consider changes to the status quo" position that end up butting heads. I don't see how you can go from that to "anyone arguing with 'apolitical' people is following a religion". (Obviously there are bad variants of this scenario like where someone misidentifies a problem or misidentifies the fix, but that doesn't seem necessarily like religious thinking either.)
    - arawnx 6y ago
      This is nonsense. There is no "the alternative;" there are no "apolitical" people. This is a circumstance of organizations, for whom being apolitical is the best way to alienate the fewest people. However, if you do indeed believe you have objective truth in your nonsensical dogmatic worldview, then hypothetically you'd be countered by somebody with a contrary truth. However this does not happen. The only opposition that these dogmatists get is from the new ethical relativists, i.e. people who advocate for apolitical organizations.
muyuu 6y ago
Not really. People default to not leaving a job with an impending recession and possibly the worst crisis in a century looming. Taking the package can be seen as a strong stance, not taking it... not really.

Alternatively, if you see a resume with Coinbase through 2020-2021, that person probably prefers the opposite, which may also be seen in a positive or negative light, depending on your stance.

libria 6y ago

It signals that a person did not want to be politically active at their workplace enough to lose/quit their job. I think that says nothing of a persons political views and is just self-preservation or even indifference. Hiring would have to make some very tenuous assumptions to consider that a signal.

jiuahweruihawi 6y ago
> I think that says nothing of a persons political views Rubbish - we all know what type of political activism is tearing these companies apart and we all know what political views are the only ones that can be safely expressed.
lazyasciiart 6y ago
Indifference to politics is a political view.
- dlivingston 6y ago
  No, it is not. Politics apathy is present across all races, all classes, all genders. Those who are politically possessed like to claim that “everything is politics” and that “it’s a privilege to not care about politics”, but every Hispanic and Filipino immigrant I’ve known (which is not a negligible number) care about family, hard work, and stability: not politics.
  - throwaway4715 6y ago
    How does one ensure "stability" without getting involved in politics?
    - jimmygrapes 6y ago
      Possibly by observing the actual changes implemented and interpreting them in their own context (i.e. IRS changes tax forms, but all the numbers stay the same when filling it out). Not being convinced that their fundamental right to attempt existence is threatened by imaginary what-ifs.
    - username90 6y ago
      Getting involved in politics makes your life more unstable, which is why mostly privileged people engage in it. For example extremely few people from below median homes are politically active in USA, while home owners are among the most active. Ergo people are mostly politically active to defend their privileges and not to fix injustices. I'm not sure how anyone can think that being politically active would make your life more stable. Edit: An example of this is that black people are much less likely to vote than white people. Is this because black people support the status quo while white people want to change things? No, it is because black people don't have the time and energy to spare to vote. And no, this isn't about voting disenfranchisement, black people are less likely to vote even in very blue states.
    - tshaddox 6y ago
      One way might be to stigmatize or ban discussion of politics.
    - war1025 6y ago
      To quote a recent Tyler Childers song[1], by "tucking our tails as we try to abide" Stability isn't about dominance, stability is about being uninteresting enough not to get your teeth kicked in. [1] https://genius.com/Tyler-childers-long-violent-history-lyrics https://genius.com/Tyler-childers-long-violent-history-lyric...
  - lazyasciiart 6y ago
    I'm not sure why an opinion being commonly held across race/class/gender would make it not political. Your statement that the immigrants you know care about x and y and not politics doesn't actually make sense in response to the concept 'everything is political'. You are responding from the perspective that politics means elections, or some similarly narrow set of topics. But 'everything is political' explicitly rejects that perspective. It means that a Filipino immigrant thinking about whether their uncle and cousins will be able to visit them is political because it's harder for them to get a visa than my English cousins. It means that a Hispanic immigrant talking to her friend in a restaurant after dropping the kids at school should not risk being detained by ICE because speaking Spanish makes some dropkick immigration officer decide they must be illegal immigrants, which happened in Montana.
  - colinmhayes 6y ago
    I don't see how this refutes anything. Plenty of people from all races, classes, and genders make the political decision to avoid politics.
- kmonsen 6y ago
  Staying in a job and supporting yourself and you family for a temporary time doing a normal job is not indifference. It is putting food on the table, perhaps literally.
  - lazyasciiart 6y ago
    I agree. I think you may have meant to address this to the comment that I was replying to.
    - kmonsen 6y ago
      I misunderstood you, but I probably read it wrong. Super tired today. Thank you for clarifying.
- stale2002 6y ago
  If it is a political view, then it is such a common political view as to be banal. A whole lot of people in the world are actively indifferent to politics. Those apolitical people vastly outnumber all the hyper political "your with us or against us" group.
tshaddox 6y ago
It's probably not a great signal for anything. How many Coinbase employees leave the company in an average month? And how much did this severance offer cause would-be future departures to cluster in October to take advantage of the payout?

sprt 6y ago

Which, as your parent seems to not realize, is also a political stance. This dichotomy is exactly what MLK refers to in the Letter from a Bermingham Jail (i.e. positive vs negative peace).

throwaway894345 6y ago
What does this mean? If this is yet another “if you’re not for us you’re against us” argument (e.g. if you don’t discuss police violence in the workplace then you necessarily support police violence), then this is false on its face. If this means “the decision to not discuss politics—especially politics unrelated to one’s work—at work is itself a political decision” then fine, but what’s the point? Is the idea that it’s a self-inconsistent position? If so, how? One can discuss even the policy not to discuss politics at work without discussing e.g. police violence.
- Pils 6y ago
  one inconsistency is that Coinbase is based in SF. Would you consider "sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep due to police sound grenades going off until 3am" a political statement?
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    > one inconsistency is that Coinbase is based in SF That's not an inconsistency. > Would you consider "sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep due to police sound grenades going off until 3am" a political statement? No, of course not.
    - Pils 6y ago
      > > Would you consider "sorry, I didn't get a lot of sleep due to police sound grenades going off until 3am" a political statement? > No, of course not. Awesome. So it follows that you would have no issue then with a coworker stating: "Police activity in SF has negatively impacted my ability to do work". Congratulations, you have a significantly broader definition of acceptable workplace speech than Coinbase.

BurningFrog 6y ago

And so the sorting into apolitical and leftist companies can begin! It's probably for the best.

arawnx 6y ago
Isn't it interesting that the crowd fighting for liberation & equity are mysteriously up against... the apolitical crowd? When the dichotomy is ethical realism vs. pragmatism, you have to ask yourself who's actually operating like a religion, who's actually a dogmatist in liberator's clothing.
- booleandilemma 6y ago
  Nah. I’m one of the “apolitical” crowd. I have all sorts of weird, controversial opinions, but I simply leave them at the door and do the job I’m paid to do.
  - tayo42 6y ago
    What if that job conflicts with your opinions or morals?
- AgentME 6y ago
  Most people don't worry about all aspects of the world's problems, and many people find themselves convinced that the status quo is more comfortable than the alternative. It's not at all surprising to me that a lot of political issues would have a "thought about it, realized the problems, and trying to fix it" position and a "apolitical, don't like thinking about it, don't want to consider changes to the status quo" position that end up butting heads. I don't see how you can go from that to "anyone arguing with 'apolitical' people is following a religion". (Obviously there are bad variants of this scenario like where someone misidentifies a problem or misidentifies the fix, but that doesn't seem necessarily like religious thinking either.)
  - arawnx 6y ago
    This is nonsense. There is no "the alternative;" there are no "apolitical" people. This is a circumstance of organizations, for whom being apolitical is the best way to alienate the fewest people. However, if you do indeed believe you have objective truth in your nonsensical dogmatic worldview, then hypothetically you'd be countered by somebody with a contrary truth. However this does not happen. The only opposition that these dogmatists get is from the new ethical relativists, i.e. people who advocate for apolitical organizations.

muyuu 6y ago

Not really. People default to not leaving a job with an impending recession and possibly the worst crisis in a century looming. Taking the package can be seen as a strong stance, not taking it... not really.