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Do you not realize how unhinged what you're saying is? "Coke and Pepsi are poisoning whole generations"? So you want to put business people in prison because th

Do you not realize how unhinged what you're saying is? "Coke and Pepsi are poisoning whole generations"? So you want to put business people in prison because they supply customers with products that they genuinely enjoy? I enjoy soda, I enjoy being able to drive, I enjoy occasionally smoking, I enjoy air conditioning my home. Perhaps I should go to jail too? If you tell me your job, I could also make up ridiculous reasons about how you're personally responsible for starving children, or destroying the environment, or putting the public's safety at risk. If you want regulation, pass laws. Don't go starting corporate witch-hunts by politically motivated completely unaccountable prosectors. You can't participate in civil society if your only solution to problems is "let's throw everyone in jail for doing things I don't like!" And the outrageous unhinged rhetoric: "poising children", "killing millions", and "destroying the planet"... it's obvious what type of leader you'd be if you ever got any power.

ncmncm 6y ago
You are an example of the problem. It was known for decades that lead in paint was poisoning everyone. Paint maufacturers persuaded US Congress not to ban lead in paint in the '40s, promising to "phase it out". In 1973 Congress finally banned lead in paint because manufacturers had done exactly nothing in 3+ decades. The crime waves of the 20th century exactly track (with a ~20 year latency) exposure to lead, so not just cancer and lower IQ, but thousands of violent deaths resulted, knowingly. We have known, for certain, since 1957, that trans fats in shortening and margarine were major causes of heart failure. They were not scheduled to be out of the food supply until 2017, and some manufacturers have got extensions into, thus far, 2021. ("We still have poison in the pipeline we would like to sell all of before we switch.") If it makes a profit, it doesn't matter who is harmed? Putting people in prison for their part in killing millions of people is properly part of civil society. We call it law enforcement. You seem to suggest laws must not be enforced if rich people might face enforcement? Who is really unhinged, here?
- NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
  > You are an example of the problem. So, I would be on your arrest and prosecution list. What a surprise. And I guess highway designers who choose to make the speed limit 65 mph instead of 3 mph also need to go to jail, right? After all, they KNOW WITH CERTAINTY that a 65 mph speed limit will contribute to many more deaths than if they limited cars to going 3 mph on the highway, but they chose to do it anyway. While we're at it, why don't we prosecute the mother who bought a $18k Honda instead of a $300k tank even though the $18k Honda exposes her children to more risk of serious harm in a car accident? The mother is knowingly risking her children's lives in order to save money! Get real and cut the rhetorical hysteria. EVERYTHING in life and the real world is about tradeoffs. And acceptable vs unacceptable tradeoffs change with time as we gain in economic prosperity. If you want regulation, pass CLEAR laws. Don't use weasely rhetoric to pretend that regular businessmen are murdering children because they sell soda.
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    > So, I would be on your arrest and prosecution list. The problem I cited was failure to demand prosecution for crimes, which you repeatedly demonstrate. It is telling that you avoid mentioning deliberate poisoning, and even invent things I did not say. Dishonesty is not engagement.
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    But if you have been committing crimes, then yes, you should be prosecuted, and if convicted have your takings confiscated and be locked up, like other criminals.
    - NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
      Of course if you have committed an actual crime you should be prosecuted. For example, those Volkswagen people who effectively used fraud to fake emissions data committed an actual crime. On the other hand, selling a LEGAL product which millions or billions of people find useful even if it may have some downstream consequences is not a crime at all. And the examples you used of poisoning were sugar and trans fats. That’s hysterical nonsense.

ncmncm 6y ago

You are an example of the problem. It was known for decades that lead in paint was poisoning everyone. Paint maufacturers persuaded US Congress not to ban lead in paint in the '40s, promising to "phase it out". In 1973 Congress finally banned lead in paint because manufacturers had done exactly nothing in 3+ decades. The crime waves of the 20th century exactly track (with a ~20 year latency) exposure to lead, so not just cancer and lower IQ, but thousands of violent deaths resulted, knowingly. We have known, for certain, since 1957, that trans fats in shortening and margarine were major causes of heart failure. They were not scheduled to be out of the food supply until 2017, and some manufacturers have got extensions into, thus far, 2021. ("We still have poison in the pipeline we would like to sell all of before we switch.") If it makes a profit, it doesn't matter who is harmed? Putting people in prison for their part in killing millions of people is properly part of civil society. We call it law enforcement. You seem to suggest laws must not be enforced if rich people might face enforcement? Who is really unhinged, here?

NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
> You are an example of the problem. So, I would be on your arrest and prosecution list. What a surprise. And I guess highway designers who choose to make the speed limit 65 mph instead of 3 mph also need to go to jail, right? After all, they KNOW WITH CERTAINTY that a 65 mph speed limit will contribute to many more deaths than if they limited cars to going 3 mph on the highway, but they chose to do it anyway. While we're at it, why don't we prosecute the mother who bought a $18k Honda instead of a $300k tank even though the $18k Honda exposes her children to more risk of serious harm in a car accident? The mother is knowingly risking her children's lives in order to save money! Get real and cut the rhetorical hysteria. EVERYTHING in life and the real world is about tradeoffs. And acceptable vs unacceptable tradeoffs change with time as we gain in economic prosperity. If you want regulation, pass CLEAR laws. Don't use weasely rhetoric to pretend that regular businessmen are murdering children because they sell soda.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  > So, I would be on your arrest and prosecution list. The problem I cited was failure to demand prosecution for crimes, which you repeatedly demonstrate. It is telling that you avoid mentioning deliberate poisoning, and even invent things I did not say. Dishonesty is not engagement.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  But if you have been committing crimes, then yes, you should be prosecuted, and if convicted have your takings confiscated and be locked up, like other criminals.
  - NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
    Of course if you have committed an actual crime you should be prosecuted. For example, those Volkswagen people who effectively used fraud to fake emissions data committed an actual crime. On the other hand, selling a LEGAL product which millions or billions of people find useful even if it may have some downstream consequences is not a crime at all. And the examples you used of poisoning were sugar and trans fats. That’s hysterical nonsense.